Hi Nick, 

Thanks for replying! If Ceph is combined with Openstack then, does that mean 
that actually when openstack writes are happening, it is not fully sync'd (as 
in written to disks) before it starts receiving more data, so acting as async ? 
In that scenario there is a chance for data loss if things go bad, i.e power 
outage or something like that ? 

As for the slow operations, reading is quite fine when I compare it to a SAN 
storage system connected to VMware. It is writing data, small chunks or big 
ones, that suffer when trying to use the sync option with FIO for benchmarking. 

In that case, I wonder, is no one using CEPH with VMware in a production 
environment ? 

Cheers. 

Regards, 
Ossi 







Hi Osama, 



This is a known problem with many software defined storage stacks, but 
potentially slightly worse with Ceph due to extra overheads. Sync writes have 
to wait until all copies of the data are written to disk by the OSD and 
acknowledged back to the client. The extra network hops for replication and NFS 
gateways add significant latency which impacts the time it takes to carry out 
small writes. The Ceph code also takes time to process each IO request. 



What particular operations are you finding slow? Storage vmotions are just bad, 
and I don’t think there is much that can be done about them as they are split 
into lots of 64kb IO’s. 



One thing you can try is to force the CPU’s on your OSD nodes to run at C1 
cstate and force their minimum frequency to 100%. This can have quite a large 
impact on latency. Also you don’t specify your network, but 10G is a must. 



Nick 




From: ceph-users [mailto:ceph-users-boun...@lists.ceph.com] On Behalf Of Osama 
Hasebou 
Sent: 14 August 2017 12:27 
To: ceph-users <ceph-users@lists.ceph.com> 
Subject: [ceph-users] VMware + Ceph using NFS sync/async ? 




Hi Everyone, 





We started testing the idea of using Ceph storage with VMware, the idea was to 
provide Ceph storage through open stack to VMware, by creating a virtual 
machine coming from Ceph + Openstack , which acts as an NFS gateway, then mount 
that storage on top of VMware cluster. 





When mounting the NFS exports using the sync option, we noticed a huge 
degradation in performance which makes it very slow to use it in production, 
the async option makes it much better but then there is the risk of it being 
risky that in case a failure shall happen, some data might be lost in that 
Scenario. 





Now I understand that some people in the ceph community are using Ceph with 
VMware using NFS gateways, so if you can kindly shed some light on your 
experience, and if you do use it in production purpose, that would be great and 
how did you mitigate the sync/async options and keep write performance. 








Thanks you!!! 





Regards, 
Ossi 




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