Don't forget that at those sizes the internal journals and rocksdb size
tunings are likely to be a significant fixed cost.

On Thu, Aug 3, 2017 at 3:13 AM Wido den Hollander <w...@42on.com> wrote:

>
> > Op 2 augustus 2017 om 17:55 schreef Marcus Haarmann <
> marcus.haarm...@midoco.de>:
> >
> >
> > Hi,
> > we are doing some tests here with a Kraken setup using bluestore backend
> (on Ubuntu 64 bit).
> > We are trying to store > 10 mio very small objects using RADOS.
> > (no fs, no rdb, only osd and monitors)
> >
> > The setup was done with ceph-deploy, using the standard bluestore
> option, no separate devices
> > for wal. The test cluster spreads over 3 virtual machines, each with
> 100GB storage für osd.
> >
> > We are now in the following situation (used pool is "test"):
> > rados df
> > POOL_NAME USED OBJECTS CLONES COPIES MISSING_ON_PRIMARY UNFOUND DEGRAED
> RD_OPS RD WR_OPS WR
> > rbd 0 2 0 6 0 0 0 49452 39618k 855 12358k
> > test 17983M 595427 0 1786281 0 0 0 29 77824 596426 17985M
> >
> > total_objects 595429
> > total_used 141G
> > total_avail 158G
> > total_space 299G
> >
> > ceph osd df
> > ID WEIGHT REWEIGHT SIZE USE AVAIL %USE VAR PGS
> > 0 0.09760 1.00000 102298M 50763M 51535M 49.62 1.00 72
> > 1 0.09760 1.00000 102298M 50799M 51499M 49.66 1.00 72
> > 2 0.09760 1.00000 102298M 50814M 51484M 49.67 1.00 72
> > TOTAL 299G 148G 150G 49.65
> > MIN/MAX VAR: 1.00/1.00 STDDEV: 0.02
> >
> > As you can see, there are about 18GB data stored in ~595000 objects now.
> > The actual space consumption is about 150GB, which fills about half of
> the storage.
> >
>
> Not really. Each OSD uses 50GB, but since you replicate 3 times (default)
> it's storing 150GB spread out over 3 OSDs.
>
> So your data is 18GB, but consumes 50GB. That's still ~2.5x which is a
> lot, but a lot less then 150GB.
>
> > Objects have been added with a test script using the rados command line
> (put).
> >
> > Obviously, the stored objects are counted byte by byte in the rados df
> command,
> > but the real space allocation is about factor 8.
> >
>
> As written above, it's ~2.5x, not 8x.
>
> > The stored objects are a mixture of 2kb, 10kb, 50kb, 100kb objects.
> >
> > Is there any recommended way to configure bluestore with a better
> suitable
> > block size for those small objects ? I cannot find any configuration
> option
> > which would allow modification of the internal block handling of
> bluestore.
> > Is luminous an option which allows more specific configuration ?
> >
>
> Could you try this with the Luminous RC as well? I don't know the answer
> here, but since Kraken a LOT has been improved to BlueStore.
>
> Wido
>
> > Thank you all in advance for support.
> >
> > Marcus Haarmann
> >
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