Got it. Thank you. I forgot that you mentioned the run files. I’ll hold off a 
bit to see if there’s more comments but I feel like I at least have things to 
try. Thanks again.

-jeremy

> On Monday, Apr 07, 2025 at 1:26 AM, Eugen Block <ebl...@nde.ag 
> (mailto:ebl...@nde.ag)> wrote:
> Still no, just edit the unit.run file for the MGRs to use a different
> image. See Frédéric's instructions (now that I'm re-reading it,
> there's a little mistake with dots and hyphens):
>
> # Backup the unit.run file
> $ cp /var/lib/ceph/$(ceph fsid)/mgr.ceph01.eydqvm/unit.run{,.bak}
>
> # Change container image's signature. You can get the signature of the
> version you
> want to reach from https://quay.io/repository/ceph/ceph?tab=tags. It's
> in the URL of a
> version.
> $ sed -i
> 's/ceph@sha256:e40c19cd70e047d14d70f5ec3cf501da081395a670cd59ca881ff56119660c8f/ceph@sha256:d26c11e20773704382946e34f0d3d2c0b8bb0b7b37d9017faa9dc11a0196c7d9/g'
> /var/lib/ceph/$(ceph fsid)/mgr.ceph01.eydqvm/unit.run
>
> # Restart the container (systemctl daemon-reload not needed)
> $ systemctl restart ceph-$(ceph fsid)(a)mgr.ceph01.eydqvm.service
>
> # Run this command a few times and it should show the new version
> ceph orch ps --refresh --hostname ceph01 | grep mgr
>
> To get the image signature, you can also look into the other unit.run
> files, a version tag would also work.
>
> It depends on how often you need the orchestrator to maintain the
> cluster. If you have the time, you could wait a bit longer for other
> responses. If you need the orchestrator in the meantime, you can roll
> back the MGRs.
>
> https://lists.ceph.io/hyperkitty/list/ceph-users@ceph.io/message/32APKOXKRAIZ7IDCNI25KVYFCCCF6RJG/
>
> Zitat von Jeremy Hansen <jer...@skidrow.la>:
>
> > Thank you. The only thing I’m unclear on is the rollback to pacific.
> >
> > Are you referring to
> >
> > > > >
> > > https://docs.ceph.com/en/quincy/cephadm/troubleshooting/#manually-deploying-a-manager-daemon
> >
> > Thank you. I appreciate all the help. Should I wait for Adam to
> > comment? At the moment, the cluster is functioning enough to
> > maintain running vms, so if it’s wise to wait, I can do that.
> >
> > -jeremy
> >
> > > On Monday, Apr 07, 2025 at 12:23 AM, Eugen Block <ebl...@nde.ag
> > > (mailto:ebl...@nde.ag)> wrote:
> > > I haven't tried it this way yet, and I had hoped that Adam would chime
> > > in, but my approach would be to remove this key (it's not present when
> > > no upgrade is in progress):
> > >
> > > ceph config-key rm mgr/cephadm/upgrade_state
> > >
> > > Then rollback the two newer MGRs to Pacific as described before. If
> > > they come up healthy, test if the orchestrator works properly first.
> > > For example, remove a node-exporter or crash or anything else
> > > uncritical and let it redeploy.
> > > If that works, try a staggered upgrade, starting with the MGRs only:
> > >
> > > ceph orch upgrade start --image <image-name> --daemon-types mgr
> > >
> > > Since there's no need to go to Quincy, I suggest to upgrade to Reef
> > > 18.2.4 (or you wait until 18.2.5 is released, which should be very
> > > soon), so set the respective <image-name> in the above command.
> > >
> > > If all three MGRs successfully upgrade, you can continue with the
> > > MONs, or with the entire rest.
> > >
> > > In production clusters, I usually do staggered upgrades, e. g. I limit
> > > the number of OSD daemons first just to see if they come up healthy,
> > > then I let it upgrade all other OSDs automatically.
> > >
> > > https://docs.ceph.com/en/latest/cephadm/upgrade/#staggered-upgrade
> > >
> > > Zitat von Jeremy Hansen <jer...@skidrow.la>:
> > >
> > > > Snipped some of the irrelevant logs to keep message size down.
> > > >
> > > > ceph config-key get mgr/cephadm/upgrade_state
> > > >
> > > > {"target_name": "quay.io/ceph/ceph:v17.2.0", "progress_id":
> > > > "e7e1a809-558d-43a7-842a-c6229fdc57af", "target_id":
> > > > "e1d6a67b021eb077ee22bf650f1a9fb1980a2cf5c36bdb9cba9eac6de8f702d9",
> > > > "target_digests":
> > > >
> > > ["quay.io/ceph/ceph@sha256:12a0a4f43413fd97a14a3d47a3451b2d2df50020835bb93db666209f3f77617a",
> > >  
> > > "quay.io/ceph/ceph@sha256:cb4d698cb769b6aba05bf6ef04f41a7fe694160140347576e13bd9348514b667"],
> > >  "target_version": "17.2.0", "fs_original_max_mds": null, 
> > > "fs_original_allow_standby_replay": null, "error": null, "paused": false, 
> > > "daemon_types": null, "hosts": null, "services": null, "total_count": 
> > > null,
> > > "remaining_count":
> > > > null}
> > > >
> > > > What should I do next?
> > > >
> > > > Thank you!
> > > > -jeremy
> > > >
> > > > > On Sunday, Apr 06, 2025 at 1:38 AM, Eugen Block <ebl...@nde.ag
> > > > > (mailto:ebl...@nde.ag)> wrote:
> > > > > Can you check if you have this config-key?
> > > > >
> > > > > ceph config-key get mgr/cephadm/upgrade_state
> > > > >
> > > > > If you reset the MGRs, it might be necessary to clear this key,
> > > > > otherwise you might end up in some inconsistency. Just to be sure.
> > > > >
> > > > > Zitat von Jeremy Hansen <jer...@skidrow.la>:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks. I’m trying to be extra careful since this cluster is
> > > > > > actually in use. I’ll wait for your feedback.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -jeremy
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Saturday, Apr 05, 2025 at 3:39 PM, Eugen Block <ebl...@nde.ag
> > > > > > > (mailto:ebl...@nde.ag)> wrote:
> > > > > > > No, that's not necessary, just edit the unit.run file for
> > > the MGRs to
> > > > > > > use a different image. See Frédéric's instructions:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > https://lists.ceph.io/hyperkitty/list/ceph-users@ceph.io/message/32APKOXKRAIZ7IDCNI25KVYFCCCF6RJG/
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > But I'm not entirely sure if you need to clear some
> > > config-keys first
> > > > > > > in order to reset the upgrade state. If I have time, I'll
> > > try to check
> > > > > > > tomorrow, or on Monday.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Zitat von Jeremy Hansen <jer...@skidrow.la>:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Would I follow this process to downgrade?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > https://docs.ceph.com/en/quincy/cephadm/troubleshooting/#manually-deploying-a-manager-daemon
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Thank you
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > On Saturday, Apr 05, 2025 at 2:04 PM, Jeremy Hansen
> > > > > > > > > <jer...@skidrow.la (mailto:jer...@skidrow.la)> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > ceph -s claims things are healthy:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > ceph -s
> > > > > > > > > cluster:
> > > > > > > > > id: 95f49c1c-b1e8-11ee-b5d0-0cc47a8f35c1
> > > > > > > > > health: HEALTH_OK
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > services:
> > > > > > > > > mon: 3 daemons, quorum cn01,cn03,cn02 (age 20h)
> > > > > > > > > mgr: cn03.negzvb(active, since 26m), standbys: cn01.tjmtph,
> > > > > > > > > cn02.ceph.xyz.corp.ggixgj
> > > > > > > > > mds: 1/1 daemons up, 2 standby
> > > > > > > > > osd: 15 osds: 15 up (since 19h), 15 in (since 14M)
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > data:
> > > > > > > > > volumes: 1/1 healthy
> > > > > > > > > pools: 6 pools, 610 pgs
> > > > > > > > > objects: 284.59k objects, 1.1 TiB
> > > > > > > > > usage: 3.3 TiB used, 106 TiB / 109 TiB avail
> > > > > > > > > pgs: 610 active+clean
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > io:
> > > > > > > > > client: 255 B/s rd, 1.2 MiB/s wr, 10 op/s rd, 16 op/s wr
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > —
> > > > > > > > > How do I downgrade if the orch is down?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Thank you
> > > > > > > > > -jeremy
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > On Saturday, Apr 05, 2025 at 1:56 PM, Eugen Block
> > > <ebl...@nde.ag
> > > > > > > > > (mailto:ebl...@nde.ag)> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > It would help if you only pasted the relevant parts.
> > > > > Anyway, these two
> > > > > > > > > > sections stand out:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > ---snip---
> > > > > > > > > > Apr 05 20:33:48 cn03.ceph.xyz.corp
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > ceph-95f49c1c-b1e8-11ee-b5d0-0cc47a8f35c1-mgr-cn03-negzvb[307291]:
> > > > > > > > > > debug 2025-04-05T20:33:48.909+0000 7f26f0200700 0
> > > > > [balancer INFO root]
> > > > > > > > > > Some PGs (1.000000) are unknown; try again later
> > > > > > > > > > Apr 05 20:33:48 cn03.ceph.xyz.corp
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > ceph-95f49c1c-b1e8-11ee-b5d0-0cc47a8f35c1-mgr-cn03-negzvb[307291]:
> > > > > > > > > > debug 2025-04-05T20:33:48.917+0000 7f2663400700 -1 mgr
> > > > > load Failed to
> > > > > > > > > > construct class in 'cephadm'
> > > > > > > > > > Apr 05 20:33:48 cn03.ceph.xyz.corp
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > ceph-95f49c1c-b1e8-11ee-b5d0-0cc47a8f35c1-mgr-cn03-negzvb[307291]:
> > > > > > > > > > debug 2025-04-05T20:33:48.917+0000 7f2663400700 -1 mgr
> > > > > load Traceback
> > > > > > > > > > (most recent call last):
> > > > > > > > > > Apr 05 20:33:48 cn03.ceph.xyz.corp
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > ceph-95f49c1c-b1e8-11ee-b5d0-0cc47a8f35c1-mgr-cn03-negzvb[307291]:
> > > > > > > > > > File "/usr/share/ceph/mgr/cephadm/module.py", line 470,
> > > > > in __init__
> > > > > > > > > > Apr 05 20:33:48 cn03.ceph.xyz.corp
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > ceph-95f49c1c-b1e8-11ee-b5d0-0cc47a8f35c1-mgr-cn03-negzvb[307291]:
> > > > > > > > > > self.upgrade = CephadmUpgrade(self)
> > > > > > > > > > Apr 05 20:33:48 cn03.ceph.xyz.corp
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > ceph-95f49c1c-b1e8-11ee-b5d0-0cc47a8f35c1-mgr-cn03-negzvb[307291]:
> > > > > > > > > > File "/usr/share/ceph/mgr/cephadm/upgrade.py", line 112,
> > > > > in __init__
> > > > > > > > > > Apr 05 20:33:48 cn03.ceph.xyz.corp
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > ceph-95f49c1c-b1e8-11ee-b5d0-0cc47a8f35c1-mgr-cn03-negzvb[307291]:
> > > > > > > > > > self.upgrade_state: Optional[UpgradeState] =
> > > > > > > > > > UpgradeState.from_json(json.loads(t))
> > > > > > > > > > Apr 05 20:33:48 cn03.ceph.xyz.corp
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > ceph-95f49c1c-b1e8-11ee-b5d0-0cc47a8f35c1-mgr-cn03-negzvb[307291]:
> > > > > > > > > > File "/usr/share/ceph/mgr/cephadm/upgrade.py", line 93,
> > > > > in from_json
> > > > > > > > > > Apr 05 20:33:48 cn03.ceph.xyz.corp
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > ceph-95f49c1c-b1e8-11ee-b5d0-0cc47a8f35c1-mgr-cn03-negzvb[307291]:
> > > > > > > > > > return cls(**c)
> > > > > > > > > > Apr 05 20:33:48 cn03.ceph.xyz.corp
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > ceph-95f49c1c-b1e8-11ee-b5d0-0cc47a8f35c1-mgr-cn03-negzvb[307291]:
> > > > > > > > > > TypeError: __init__() got an unexpected keyword argument
> > > > > > > 'daemon_types'
> > > > > > > > > > Apr 05 20:33:48 cn03.ceph.xyz.corp
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > ceph-95f49c1c-b1e8-11ee-b5d0-0cc47a8f35c1-mgr-cn03-negzvb[307291]:
> > > > > > > > > > Apr 05 20:33:48 cn03.ceph.xyz.corp
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > ceph-95f49c1c-b1e8-11ee-b5d0-0cc47a8f35c1-mgr-cn03-negzvb[307291]:
> > > > > > > > > > debug 2025-04-05T20:33:48.918+0000 7f2663400700 -1
> > > mgr operator()
> > > > > > > > > > Failed to run module in active mode ('cephadm')
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Apr 05 20:33:49 cn03.ceph.xyz.corp
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > ceph-95f49c1c-b1e8-11ee-b5d0-0cc47a8f35c1-mgr-cn03-negzvb[307291]:
> > > > > > > > > > debug 2025-04-05T20:33:49.273+0000 7f2663400700 -1 mgr
> > > > > load Failed to
> > > > > > > > > > construct class in 'snap_schedule'
> > > > > > > > > > Apr 05 20:33:49 cn03.ceph.xyz.corp
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > ceph-95f49c1c-b1e8-11ee-b5d0-0cc47a8f35c1-mgr-cn03-negzvb[307291]:
> > > > > > > > > > debug 2025-04-05T20:33:49.273+0000 7f2663400700 -1 mgr
> > > > > load Traceback
> > > > > > > > > > (most recent call last):
> > > > > > > > > > Apr 05 20:33:49 cn03.ceph.xyz.corp
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > ceph-95f49c1c-b1e8-11ee-b5d0-0cc47a8f35c1-mgr-cn03-negzvb[307291]:
> > > > > > > > > > File "/usr/share/ceph/mgr/snap_schedule/module.py", line 38,
> > > > > > > in __init__
> > > > > > > > > > Apr 05 20:33:49 cn03.ceph.xyz.corp
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > ceph-95f49c1c-b1e8-11ee-b5d0-0cc47a8f35c1-mgr-cn03-negzvb[307291]:
> > > > > > > > > > self.client = SnapSchedClient(self)
> > > > > > > > > > Apr 05 20:33:49 cn03.ceph.xyz.corp
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > ceph-95f49c1c-b1e8-11ee-b5d0-0cc47a8f35c1-mgr-cn03-negzvb[307291]:
> > > > > > > > > > File
> > > > > "/usr/share/ceph/mgr/snap_schedule/fs/schedule_client.py", line
> > > > > > > > > > 158, in __init__
> > > > > > > > > > Apr 05 20:33:49 cn03.ceph.xyz.corp
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > ceph-95f49c1c-b1e8-11ee-b5d0-0cc47a8f35c1-mgr-cn03-negzvb[307291]:
> > > > > > > > > > with self.get_schedule_db(fs_name) as conn_mgr:
> > > > > > > > > > Apr 05 20:33:49 cn03.ceph.xyz.corp
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > ceph-95f49c1c-b1e8-11ee-b5d0-0cc47a8f35c1-mgr-cn03-negzvb[307291]:
> > > > > > > > > > File
> > > > > "/usr/share/ceph/mgr/snap_schedule/fs/schedule_client.py", line
> > > > > > > > > > 192, in get_schedule_db
> > > > > > > > > > Apr 05 20:33:49 cn03.ceph.xyz.corp
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > ceph-95f49c1c-b1e8-11ee-b5d0-0cc47a8f35c1-mgr-cn03-negzvb[307291]:
> > > > > > > > > > db.executescript(dump)
> > > > > > > > > > Apr 05 20:33:49 cn03.ceph.xyz.corp
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > ceph-95f49c1c-b1e8-11ee-b5d0-0cc47a8f35c1-mgr-cn03-negzvb[307291]:
> > > > > > > > > > sqlite3.OperationalError: table schedules already exists
> > > > > > > > > > Apr 05 20:33:49 cn03.ceph.xyz.corp
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > ceph-95f49c1c-b1e8-11ee-b5d0-0cc47a8f35c1-mgr-cn03-negzvb[307291]:
> > > > > > > > > > Apr 05 20:33:49 cn03.ceph.xyz.corp
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > ceph-95f49c1c-b1e8-11ee-b5d0-0cc47a8f35c1-mgr-cn03-negzvb[307291]:
> > > > > > > > > > debug 2025-04-05T20:33:49.274+0000 7f2663400700 -1
> > > mgr operator()
> > > > > > > > > > Failed to run module in active mode ('snap_schedule')
> > > > > > > > > > ---snip---
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Your cluster seems to be in an error state (ceph -s)
> > > because of an
> > > > > > > > > > unknown PG. It's recommended to have a healthy cluster 
> > > > > > > > > > before
> > > > > > > > > > attemping an upgrade. It's possible that these errors
> > > > > come from the
> > > > > > > > > > not upgraded MGR, I'm not sure.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Since the upgrade was only successful for two MGRs, I
> > > am thinking
> > > > > > > > > > about downgrading both MGRs back to 16.2.15, then retry
> > > > > an upgrade to
> > > > > > > > > > a newer version, either 17.2.8 or 18.2.4. I haven't
> > > checked the
> > > > > > > > > > snap_schedule error yet, though. Maybe someone else knows
> > > > > > > that already.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
>
>
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