-> "At the minimum, publishing the versioned repos at $repourl/debian-16.2.14 
but not cutting the symlink over for  $repourl/debian-pacific until “ready” 
seems like a very easy and useful release process improvement to prevent these 
specific issues going forward."

This should be standard procedure for new releases.  Numerous linux 
distributions already operate this way to make sure mirrors get copes before 
the thundering herds do upgrades. 


--

Paul Mezzanini
Platform Engineer III
Research Computing

Rochester Institute of Technology

 “End users is a description, not a goal.”





________________________________________
From: Reed Dier <reed.d...@focusvq.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2023 1:16 PM
To: Yuri Weinstein
Cc: ceph-users
Subject: [ceph-users] Re: Pacific 16.2.14 debian Incomplete

This is more the sentiment that I was hoping to convey.

Sure, I have my finger on the pulse of the mailing list and the packages coming 
down the pipe, but assuming that everyone does and/or will is not a safe 
assumption.
At the minimum, publishing the versioned repos at $repourl/debian-16.2.14 but 
not cutting the symlink over for  $repourl/debian-pacific until “ready” seems 
like a very easy and useful release process improvement to prevent these 
specific issues going forward.

Likewise, $repourl/rpm-pacific is already pointing to $repourl/rpm-16.2.14 as 
well, so its not a debian specific issue, albeit it looks like there were no 
issues with missing packages on el8.
But the packages were still “pre-released” before we are supposed to use them.

Anything making it to $repourl/{deb,rpm}-$named_release should be “safe.”
Because the 
documentation<https://docs.ceph.com/en/pacific/install/get-packages/#configure-repositories-manually>
 uses the named repos, as it should, and right now the documentation is 
effectively broken.

ubuntu@mini-pacific:~$ cat /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ceph.list ; sudo apt update 
| grep ceph ; sudo apt install ceph ceph-osd ceph-mon ceph-mgr
deb https://download.ceph.com/debian-pacific/ focal main

WARNING: apt does not have a stable CLI interface. Use with caution in scripts.

Hit:5 https://download.ceph.com/debian-pacific focal InRelease
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done
Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have
requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable
distribution that some required packages have not yet been created
or been moved out of Incoming.
The following information may help to resolve the situation:

The following packages have unmet dependencies:
 ceph-mgr : Depends: ceph-base (= 15.2.17-0ubuntu0.20.04.4) but it is not going 
to be installed
 ceph-mon : Depends: ceph-base (= 15.2.17-0ubuntu0.20.04.4) but it is not going 
to be installed
 ceph-osd : PreDepends: ceph-common (= 15.2.17-0ubuntu0.20.04.4) but it is not 
going to be installed
            Depends: ceph-base (= 15.2.17-0ubuntu0.20.04.4) but it is not going 
to be installed
E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.

Reed

On Aug 30, 2023, at 11:33 AM, Burkhard Linke 
<burkhard.li...@computational.bio.uni-giessen.de<mailto:burkhard.li...@computational.bio.uni-giessen.de>>
 wrote:

Hi,

On 8/30/23 18:26, Yuri Weinstein wrote:
16.2.14 has not been released yet.

Please don't do any upgrades before we send an announcement email.


Then stop pushing packets before the announcement. This is not the first time 
this problem occurred. And given your answer I'm afraid it won't be the last 
time.

It can't be that hard to coordinate releases.....


Regards,

Burkhard

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