Hi Greg, Thanks – if I understand https://ceph.io/geen-categorie/get-omap-keyvalue-size/ correctly, “rados -p cephfs.fs1-replicated.data ls” should show any such objects? It’s also returning blank (and correctly returns a lot for the EC pool).
That being said – if it’s only written to by the MDS in any case, my concerns are moot. Do clients need _read_ access to the default pool either? Regards, Phil _________________________________________ Philip Cass HPC Systems Specialist – Senior Systems Administrator EPCC [cid:image001.png@01D5D604.0DF1A090] Advanced Computing Facility Bush Estate Penicuik Tel: +44 (0)131 4457815 Email: p.c...@epcc.ed.ac.uk<mailto:p.c...@epcc.ed.ac.uk> _________________________________________ The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in Scotland, with registration number SC005336. The information contained in this e-mail (including any attachments) is confidential and is intended for the use of the addressee only. If you have received this message in error, please delete it and notify the originator immediately. Please consider the environment before printing this email. From: Gregory Farnum <gfar...@redhat.com> Sent: 28 January 2020 17:13 To: CASS Philip <p.c...@epcc.ed.ac.uk> Cc: ceph-users@ceph.io Subject: Re: [ceph-users] CephFS - objects in default data pool On Tue, Jan 28, 2020 at 4:26 PM CASS Philip <p.c...@epcc.ed.ac.uk<mailto:p.c...@epcc.ed.ac.uk>> wrote: I have a query about https://docs.ceph.com/docs/master/cephfs/createfs/: “The data pool used to create the file system is the “default” data pool and the location for storing all inode backtrace information, used for hard link management and disaster recovery. For this reason, all inodes created in CephFS have at least one object in the default data pool.” This does not match my experience (nautilus servers, nautlius FUSE client or Centos 7 kernel client). I have a cephfs with a replicated top-level pool and a directory set to use erasure coding with setfattr, though I also did the same test using the subvolume commands with the same result. "Ceph df detail" shows no objects used in the top level pool, as shown in https://gist.github.com/pcass-epcc/af24081cf014a66809e801f33bcb535b (also displayed in-line below) Hmm I think this is tripping over the longstanding issue that omap data is not reflected in the pool stats (although I would expect it to still show up as objects, but perhaps the "ceph df" view has a different reporting chain? Or else I'm confused somehow.) But anyway... It would be useful if indeed clients didn’t have to write to the top-level pool, since that would mean we could give different clients permission only to pool-associated subdirectories without giving everyone write access to a pool with data structures shared between all users of the filesystem. *Clients* don't need write permission to the default data pool unless you want them to write files there. The backtraces are maintained by the MDS. :) -Greg [root@hdr-admon01 ec]# ceph df detail; ceph fs ls; ceph fs status RAW STORAGE: CLASS SIZE AVAIL USED RAW USED %RAW USED hdd 3.3 PiB 3.3 PiB 32 TiB 32 TiB 0.95 nvme 2.9 TiB 2.9 TiB 504 MiB 2.5 GiB 0.08 TOTAL 3.3 PiB 3.3 PiB 32 TiB 32 TiB 0.95 POOLS: POOL ID STORED OBJECTS USED %USED MAX AVAIL QUOTA OBJECTS QUOTA BYTES DIRTY USED COMPR UNDER COMPR cephfs.fs1.metadata 5 162 MiB 63 324 MiB 0.01 1.4 TiB N/A N/A 63 0 B 0 B cephfs.fs1-replicated.data 6 0 B 0 0 B 0 1.0 PiB N/A N/A 0 0 B 0 B cephfs.fs1-ec.data 7 8.0 GiB 2.05k 11 GiB 0 2.4 PiB N/A N/A 2.05k 0 B 0 B name: fs1, metadata pool: cephfs.fs1.metadata, data pools: [cephfs.fs1-replicated.data cephfs.fs1-ec.data ] fs1 - 4 clients === +------+--------+------------+---------------+-------+-------+ | Rank | State | MDS | Activity | dns | inos | +------+--------+------------+---------------+-------+-------+ | 0 | active | hdr-meta02 | Reqs: 0 /s | 29 | 16 | +------+--------+------------+---------------+-------+-------+ +----------------------------+----------+-------+-------+ | Pool | type | used | avail | +----------------------------+----------+-------+-------+ | cephfs.fs1.metadata | metadata | 324M | 1414G | | cephfs.fs1-replicated.data | data | 0 | 1063T | | cephfs.fs1-ec.data | data | 11.4G | 2505T | +----------------------------+----------+-------+-------+ +-------------+ | Standby MDS | +-------------+ | hdr-meta01 | +-------------+ MDS version: ceph version 14.2.5 (ad5bd132e1492173c85fda2cc863152730b16a92) nautilus (stable) [root@hdr-admon01 ec]# ll /test-fs/ec/ total 12582912 -rw-r--r--. 1 root root 4294967296 Jan 27 22:26 new-file -rw-r--r--. 2 root root 4294967296 Jan 28 14:06 new-file2 -rw-r--r--. 2 root root 4294967296 Jan 28 14:06 new-file-same-inode-as-newfile2 Regards, Phil _________________________________________ Philip Cass HPC Systems Specialist – Senior Systems Administrator EPCC [cid:image002.png@01D5D604.0DF1A090] Advanced Computing Facility Bush Estate Penicuik Tel: +44 (0)131 4457815 Email: p.c...@epcc.ed.ac.uk<mailto:p.c...@epcc.ed.ac.uk> _________________________________________ The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in Scotland, with registration number SC005336. 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