----- Original Message -----
> From: "Johnny Hughes" <joh...@centos.org>
> To: centos@centos.org
> Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2018 8:18:18 AM
> Subject: Re: [CentOS] Which is better? Microsoft Exchange 2016 or Linux-based 
> SMTP Servers?

> On 07/19/2018 03:18 PM, David C. Miller wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Keith Keller" <kkel...@wombat.san-francisco.ca.us>
>>> To: centos@centos.org
>>> Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2018 11:33:17 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [CentOS] Which is better? Microsoft Exchange 2016 or 
>>> Linux-based
>>> SMTP Servers?
>> 
>>> On 2018-07-19, Mark Rousell <mark.rous...@signal100.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Well said. I feel that too many people today have forgotten (or, more
>>>> likely, never learned) these lessons from history. People give away
>>>> their personal and supposedly private information too easily and, I feel
>>>> certain, will come to regret it (some already have come to regret it).
>>>
>>> While I agree with the above, it doesn't really address Johnny's
>>> question, which is which open source calendaring projects can compete
>>> with Google calendar for users' ease of use?  If I give my users Zimbra,
>>> and they hate it, then what?  For simple email use, there are plenty of
>>> clients which can talk IMAP/SMTP to a linux server, but the options for
>>> calendaring (and ''groupware'' in general) are much sparser.
>>>
>>> It's a hard question, and each organization needs to weigh their privacy
>>> concerns against their users' requirements.
>>>
>>> --keith
>>>
>>> --
>>> kkel...@wombat.san-francisco.ca.us
>> 
>> Zimbra's calendaring component is also a CALDav compliant server. Users can 
>> also
>> share their calendars either via the zimbra web client(public, or restricted 
>> to
>> an email address with a password), or exporting the calendar to an ICS file.
>> CALDav compliant calendar clients like Apples calendar app on Mac and iOS can
>> subscribe or connect to the zimbra server using its 
>> https://zimbra.example.com
>> address. The Zimbra web client interface for using and managing calendars is
>> just as easy to use as googles calendars.
>> 
> 
> OK, what you say is true in theory.  However,  in Thunderbird on Linux
> and using Mac clients, etc  .. and certainly on Windows workstation
> clients using outlook .. zimbra does not work well.  It also does not
> work well on people's smart phone calendars. People want their phone to
> remind them of their appointments .. any solution that is iffy doing
> that is just unacceptable in this day and age.
> 

Yeah, I'm not saying it is perfect, nothing is. Zimbra standard also includes 
active sync so your iOS and android device can connect to it like if it was an 
exchange server. I have dozens of users doing that and the calendars work as 
intended. I also have a few dozen users connecting to our zimbra server via the 
Apple calendar program via CALDav protocol and although Apples program is not 
100% CALDav compliant it works fine for the things people actually use. They 
send invites and get reminders for events just fine. For our outlook users 
there is a connector that allows outlook to connect to our zimbra server as if 
it were an exchange server. I wasn't aware that thundebird had a calendar 
component but it works fine for IMAP and POP. I'm not saying it is perfect but 
if you have a mix of platforms like I do(Windows, Mac, Linux, android, iOS) and 
have to host the data yourself, I think Zimbra is a decent solution. That being 
said, I would prefer to use googles offerings. It would make m
 y job a lot easier. Being an email admin, dealing with spam/phishing/malware, 
maintaining security patches, OS updates, and hardware sucks.
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