I was thinking about adding a "open with..." menu item for files, eventually
with app history list. What bothers me about adding new GUI elements is
internationalization. Any thoughts?
---- Jon Trulson wrote ----
>On 07/19/2018 09:41 PM, Matthew R. Trower wrote:
>> Well, that would be the built-in functionality I asked about.
>
>Yes - the trouble was, is that didn't work for say, a jpg or .mp4 file,
>or many useful filetypes like PDF's, and the like.
>
>It does now, since in addition to 'dtopen', there are many more type
>definitions added.
>
>> It would still be useful, I feel, to have a familiar convention which
>> matches other desktop environments; dtopen would provide this.
>>
>
>Agree.
>
>> Moreover, Jon's wrapper provides dynamic defaults for a variety of systems.
>>
>> Right now, CDE doesn't ship with actions that cover a large variety of
>> filetypes. This makes some sense I guess, since CDE does not ship an image
>> viewer, for example. But it makes programs like dtfile less usable out of
>> the box. We can't really just define a single default program, because who
>> knows what the user actually has on their system.
>>
>
>Exactly.
>
>-jon
>
>> -mrt
>> Original Message
>> From: Richard L. Hamilton
>> Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2018 22:32
>> To: Jon Trulson
>> Cc: cdesktopenv-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
>> Subject: Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] Integration of Antonis Tsolomitis'
>> desktop_approots tarball, with some changes
>>
>> Maybe I'm missing something, but what's the need for it at all?
>>
>> dtaction Open _filename_
>>
>> should, if the appropriate actions have been defined, recognize the file by
>> its magic number and/or name suffix, and run the appropriate viewer, or
>> whatever. And dtfile among others will be able to make use of that.
>>
>>> On Jul 19, 2018, at 22:25, Jon Trulson <j...@radscan.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> On 07/19/2018 08:15 PM, Matthew R. Trower wrote:
>>>> Hi Jon,
>>>> Do I understand correctly that dtapp is meant to function in the same vein
>>>> as open, xdg-open, gnome-open, etc?
>>>> As in, I can type
>>>> $ dtapp mypic.jpg
>>>> And my picture will open up in some suitable image viewer? If so, might
>>>> you consider continuing this naming convention by naming it dtopen? (or
>>>> have I misunderstood, and maybe it just returns a string?)
>>>> It's not a critical point, but I thought I might mention it for
>>>> consideration before dtapp gets wired into everything and particularly
>>>> before people start using it/scripting with it =)
>>>
>>> That's a good point. At XiG, I called it dthelper, but I didn't like that
>>> so I used dtapp for these commit(s). I don't really like that either. :)
>>>
>>> Right now, dtapp is just a simple shell script that is symlinked to various
>>> per-type specific "aliases" - ie: for images it would be
>>>
>>> dtapp_vimage "filename"
>>>
>>> to call a list of programs in order to display it (xv, display, etc).
>>>
>>> I didn't really like "dtapp" and "dtapp_vimage", etc though.
>>>
>>> I like your idea a lot better. dtopen would be the "base", it's symlinked
>>> aliases would be something like dtopen_image, dtopen_video, etc.
>>>
>>> Yes, I do like that name a lot better. I'll make the change.
>>>
>>> In the future, we can certainly enhance/replace dtopen if/when we like.
>>> Thanks for the suggestion!
>>>
>>> -jon
>>>
>>>> - mrt
>>>> Original Message
>>>> From: Jon Trulson
>>>> Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2018 21:05
>>>> To: Antonis Tsolomitis; cdesktopenv-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
>>>> Subject: [cdesktopenv-devel] Integration of Antonis Tsolomitis'
>>>> desktop_approots tarball, with some changes
>>>> Hi Antonis,
>>>> I'm also CC'ing the CDE list for their information as well.
>>>> I have finally managed to integrate much of the stuff you provided in
>>>> your desktop_approots tarball. WRT the icons, I just put them all in.
>>>> If someone has a problem and complains, they can just ask us to remove it.
>>>> I did not incorporate your Greek versions of the .dt files. I don't
>>>> think CDE has enough in it to actually support the Greek locale, as
>>>> there is no Greek localization database. I am not sure if you just add
>>>> the Greek support on top of a built CDE, or what as there is currently
>>>> no support for installing the Greek locale.
>>>> So I am confused. If you build CDE from scratch, how do you install it?
>>>> And does everything work properly in Greek?
>>>> At any rate, until we know what's going on there, I did not add those
>>>> files as they would need to be redone anyway to reference appropriate
>>>> Greek messages via the NLS substitution that goes on when generating the
>>>> final .dt files for each locale.
>>>> I made some other changes as well. I mentioned that I had created a
>>>> "helper" program at XiG that would look for a command in a command list
>>>> to do various things like display an image, display a video, etc. It's
>>>> now installed in /usr/dt/bin/dtapp.
>>>> I created 4 new actions that use this new helper script:
>>>> DisplayImage, DisplayVideo, DisplayPS, DisplayPDF
>>>> These are now called on the appropriate files (DisplayImage for .png,
>>>> .jpg, etc files).
>>>> The actions you provided for xv, xpdf, gv, and vlc are still present,
>>>> but no longer contain the data type definitions. Only Actions are
>>>> present in those files now.
>>>> The video datatypes have been moved into a new videoTypes.dt file. All
>>>> that file is for, is to detect video files, display the proper icon
>>>> (video) and call the appropriate action (DisplayVideo).
>>>> The other datatypes for PS, PDF, and images (jpg, png, etc) have been
>>>> moved into datatypes.dt (or replaced the disabled ones already there).
>>>> So with these commits, all of your appgroups are present and will run
>>>> the appropriate program if it exists.
>>>> And image, video, PDF and postscript files will now be handled by dtapp,
>>>> which will look for and call the first appropriate program found.
>>>> In time we should also add support for audio handling, and maybe split
>>>> out some of the stuff in datatypes.dt into appropriate .dt files
>>>> (soundTypes.dt, etc).
>>>> Thanks much for your contribution!
>>>> -jon
>>>> On 06/27/2018 07:54 AM, Antonis Tsolomitis wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Dear Jon,
>>>>>
>>>>> I attach two things. The desktop_approots.tgz which contains the setup
>>>>> for modern apps
>>>>> and the file icons.txt which contains the paths of the icons that are
>>>>> taken from GPL programs (except xv).
>>>>>
>>>>> To install desktop_approots on a system you execute as root:
>>>>>
>>>>> mv desktop_approots.tgz /etc/
>>>>> tar -xzvf desktop_approots.tgz
>>>>> cd desktop_approots/
>>>>> ./integrate_all_apps.sh
>>>>>
>>>>> Then you either logout-login or reload applications and actions.
>>>>>
>>>>> To deinstall, each folder in desktop_approots/ contains a deinstallation
>>>>> script.
>>>>>
>>>>> Please use the files I send now and not the older one as I corrected
>>>>> several things/bugs.
>>>>>
>>>>> All applications will appear in the Application manager of CDE and can
>>>>> be dragged and dropped on open drawers
>>>>> of the CDE panel.
>>>>>
>>>>> Now, I have taken some decisions for this. Some are obvious. For
>>>>> example, odt/doc/xls etc files open with
>>>>> libreoffice (careful: some systems call it soffice, others
>>>>> libreoffice-version. In such cases one must create
>>>>> links)
>>>>>
>>>>> Others are less obvious:
>>>>>
>>>>> 1. Media files open with vlc (I think is the most popular)
>>>>> 2. pictures open with xv. This I do not like because it is not a free
>>>>> program but a decision is needed. What to use?
>>>>> Eye of gnome? Eye of mate? something else. I chose xv as it looks
>>>>> good on CDE. But if you tell me to change it
>>>>> to something else I will gladly do it.
>>>>>
>>>>> 3. postscript files open with gv (not installed by default on most
>>>>> systems)
>>>>> 4. pdf files open with xpdf (again not installed by default on most
>>>>> systems. Any other suggestion is welcome)
>>>>> However the icon for pdf files is chosen to be the one for
>>>>> acroread. People are familiar with it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Finally one of the very useful applications for a desktop is pavucontrol
>>>>> called PulseAudioCtrl in Application Manager
>>>>> (group Sound&Video)
>>>>> since CDE lacks an app for sound. Actually I think that this application
>>>>> is absolutely needed. Maybe it should be even
>>>>> by default installed in some drawer of the panel.
>>>>>
>>>>> I also think that the default action of the mailer must change in the
>>>>> distribution of CDE to something else until dtmail
>>>>> gets fixed to work in a modern environment. Evolution of thunderbird are
>>>>> great choices.
>>>>>
>>>>> For any bugs or suggestions for improvement, please write to me.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you for your help,
>>>>>
>>>>> Antonis.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> [...]
>>>
>>> --
>>> Jon Trulson
>>>
>>> "Fire all weapons and open a hailing frequency for my victory yodle."
>>>
>>> - Zapp Brannigan
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>
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