As a postscript, I was going to try to meet up with Doug and trade war stories, but I had just gotten back from a 5-week road trip a few days earlier and was glued to the couch.
But next time, if anyone on the list is coming through Austin please let me know. About all I can pick up and move around by myself is a 2U though :-) Now, 16-ounce lifts, I *can* do. (And these days I have time to fool around with this stuff more as I just retired.) mcl