Since these look like diamond data I’ll note that we have just installed the 
updated version and will be reprocessing all data from the last run from the 
end of the week

This may take some time but updated files will become available in Synchweb

Best wishes Graeme

On 8 Oct 2024, at 17:46, Eleanor Dodson 
<0000176a9d5ebad7-dmarc-requ...@jiscmail.ac.uk> wrote:


I think Gerard has probably hit the jackpot. The data was sent to me by a 
student and here is a bit of the header:

 OPENED INPUT MTZ FILE
 Logical Name: HKLIN   Filename: 
105456487_mx32736v69_xGSTPBBRETLGHA00BA54831_scaled_unmerged.mtz

 * Title:

 From XDS file SCALED_SAD_SWEEP1.HKL, XDS run on 19-Sep-2024 from image


I will check what version of XDS was used then but I suspect it is the one 
recently updated!
The structure solves quite well in P212121 and refines to ~ 23%
Not good data - not a perfect structure but probably NOT twinned.

Can someone warn the community about this?

Eleanor


On Tue, 8 Oct 2024 at 17:38, Ian Tickle 
<ianj...@gmail.com<mailto:ianj...@gmail.com>> wrote:
PS you'll find a link to a description of all the twinning tests it runs on the 
server home page.

I.


On Tue, Oct 8, 2024 at 4:20 PM Ian Tickle 
<ianj...@gmail.com<mailto:ianj...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Dear Eleanor

Try submitting it to the STARANISO server?  That does a whole slew of twinning 
tests (so you can take your pick from sometimes totally different twin 
fractions from the various tests!).  Also it gives you the twin fraction rather 
than having you understand how to use the tests!  But I agree that the L test 
is one of the best, and the server uses a variant of it which gives more 
accurate estimates of the twin fraction.

Cheers

-- Ian


On Tue, Oct 8, 2024 at 4:01 PM Eleanor Dodson 
<0000176a9d5ebad7-dmarc-requ...@jiscmail.ac.uk<mailto:0000176a9d5ebad7-dmarc-requ...@jiscmail.ac.uk>>
 wrote:
I have always had great faith in the L test and other statistics to detect 
twinning..
But now I have a puzzling data set.
Seems to be orthorhombic with a, b and c  all different
One molecule/asymm unit and no NC translation..
BUT clear indication of twinning given by second moments, etc..

I have seen this before when the spacegroup was actually monoclinic and the 
pointless analysis of the two fold axes along a b or c showed one was better 
than the other two and in fact the crystal proved not to be twinned when the 
data was processed as monoclinic..

But in this case no amount of reprocessing gets rid of the twin indicator ..
Does anyone have any suggestions of why this might be?
( The data quality isnt great - 2.5A but the Rmerges are reasonable..)
Eleanor


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