Keitaro,

Please disregard my previous email. After informing myself on how Refmac is
executed from command line (via online websites & log files from GUI Refmac
runs) and many trial and error executions, I was able to execute refmac5
from command line and was able to recycle the code for execution of
refmacat.

Best,

Nick Clark

On Mon, May 29, 2023 at 1:48 PM Nicholas Clark <ndcla...@buffalo.edu> wrote:

> Hi Keitaro,
>
> Thanks for the response. Is there documentation somewhere on how to run
> refmacat (like an example for Crystallographic data refinement, I found the
> one for CryoEM data but )? I have made multiple attempts to get this to run
> on my end but when I input the command I get "Waiting for input.." as a
> response and it just seems to hold here. I've tried this with multiple
> different iterations but even the simplest of just coordinates &
> reflections yields the same response. The command I'm running is, as a
> simplified example with only coordinates & reflections:
>
> refmacat XYXIN /location/for/coordinates.pdb HKLIN
> /location/for/reflections.mtz
>
> I've also tried passing a full list of the Refmac5 arguments but I still
> get a hold at "waiting for input". I'm sure I'm not passing something
> appropriately, but I'm not very familiar with running CCP4 programs on the
> command line. Any assistance would be appreciated!
>
> Interestingly, when I use the "LINK" and change the type to "peptide" in
> Coot only the linkage to the preceding residue is broken during refinement,
> the subsequent residue remains bonded. I can "circumvent" this issue by
> adding an alternate conformation to the preceding residue (i.e., both
> covalent linkages remain).
>
> Best,
>
> Nick Clark
>
> On Sat, May 27, 2023 at 4:03 PM Keitaro Yamashita <
> kyamash...@mrc-lmb.cam.ac.uk> wrote:
>
>> Because of non-standard atom names, group names of some monomers were
>> changed to NON-POLYMER. In this case the hydrogen atom is only the
>> problem, so changing group to peptide works unless you have hydrogen.
>> Moreover, in CSO, the problematic hydrogen is removed when forming a
>> peptide link. The details are described in the paper Paul mentioned.
>>
>> Refmac would work, if "refmacat" (explained in the paper) is used. The
>> command is already available in the latest CCP4 update, but not from
>> the interfaces at the moment.
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Keitaro
>>
>> On Sat, 27 May 2023 at 04:02, Nicholas Clark <ndcla...@buffalo.edu>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > Hi Paul,
>> >
>> > Thank you for providing that information. Editing the restraints for
>> CSO corrected the issue! Your assistance is greatly appreciated. I figured
>> I was missing something :)
>> >
>> > Best,
>> >
>> > Nick Clark
>> >
>> > On Fri, May 26, 2023 at 10:55 PM Paul Emsley <pems...@mrc-lmb.cam.ac.uk>
>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On 27/05/2023 03:46, Nicholas Clark wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Paul,
>> >>
>> >> Yes, it appears that the upper level group is "NON-POLYMER". However,
>> there is an alias at the bottom that does state polymer.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Hi Nick,
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> In Coot: Edit -> Restraints... -> CSO -> OK -> Change "Non-POLYMER" to
>> "peptide" and press enter in the entry, then "Apply"
>> >>
>> >> Now you can refine your CSO in Coot.
>> >>
>> >> Paul.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Best,
>> >>
>> >> Nick Clark
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Fri, May 26, 2023 at 10:37 PM Paul Emsley <
>> pems...@mrc-lmb.cam.ac.uk> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> On 27/05/2023 03:23, Nicholas Clark wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Hey Paul,
>> >>>
>> >>> I found the dictionary entry for CSO, it appears to be in the
>> "peptide" group (under CCP4-8.0->lib->data->monomers->c->CSO.cif):
>> >>>
>> >>> "loop_
>> >>> _chem_comp_alias.comp_id
>> >>> _chem_comp_alias.group
>> >>> _chem_comp_alias.atom_id
>> >>> _chem_comp_alias.atom_id_standard
>> >>> CSO peptide HN2 H2"
>> >>>
>> >>>  I've attached the file I have for your reference, as I may not be
>> looking in the correct place. Also, if I'm looking in the wrong file
>> location, please let me know.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Due to other priorities, Coot is not up to speed with the
>> developments of my colleagues:
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov%2Fpmc%2Farticles%2FPMC10167671%2F&data=05%7C01%7Cndclark2%40g-mail.buffalo.edu%7Cd20ae1e11ae4471a826c08db5eed6835%7C96464a8af8ed40b199e25f6b50a20250%7C0%7C0%7C638208146360356901%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=JXhA8CQjRF0V%2BMDfmIeegB%2Bc2rvKjT6dEofU7gcVjt4%3D&reserved=0
>> (Section 2)
>> >>>
>> >>> What is the value of _chem_comp.group ? That is (for the moment) what
>> Coot cares about.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Paul.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Nicholas D. Clark (He/Him)
>> >> PhD Candidate
>> >> Malkowski Lab
>> >> University at Buffalo
>> >> Department of Structural Biology
>> >> Jacob's School of Medicine & Biomedical Sciences
>> >> 955 Main Street, RM 5130
>> >> Buffalo, NY 14203
>> >>
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>> > PhD Candidate
>> > Malkowski Lab
>> > University at Buffalo
>> > Department of Structural Biology
>> > Jacob's School of Medicine & Biomedical Sciences
>> > 955 Main Street, RM 5130
>> > Buffalo, NY 14203
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>
>
> --
> Nicholas D. Clark (He/Him)
> PhD Candidate
> Malkowski Lab
> University at Buffalo
> Department of Structural Biology
> Jacob's School of Medicine & Biomedical Sciences
> 955 Main Street, RM 5130
> Buffalo, NY 14203
>
> Cell: 716-830-1908
>


-- 
Nicholas D. Clark (He/Him)
PhD Candidate
Malkowski Lab
University at Buffalo
Department of Structural Biology
Jacob's School of Medicine & Biomedical Sciences
955 Main Street, RM 5130
Buffalo, NY 14203

Cell: 716-830-1908

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