Hmm - yes.
For refmac the default scaling is:

2) Mask based bulk solvent correction.  It is activated using the following
keywords to build a mask based bulk solvent correction:

scale type simple

solvent yes

The solvent mask is generated with default parameters to mask the whole
model : vdwprobe 1.2 ionprobe 0.8 rashrink 0.8


I am not sure whether the mask is built taking into account atoms with occ
= 0.00 or not..


Will ask the experts.



But what happens to scaling when you do an OMIT map?



Scaling is often a problem, especially at limited resolution. I like to
look at a plot of <Fobs> v <Fcalc> which you can find in REFMAC outputs if
you know where to look, but often the scaling procedure is shrouded in
mystery..

Eleanor




On Wed, 7 Apr 2021 at 11:59, Dirk Kostrewa <
dirk.kostr...@lrz.uni-muenchen.de> wrote:

> Dear Eleanor,
>
> setting occupancies of omitted atoms to zero has the danger of leaving a
> hole with the shape of these atoms in the bulk solvent mask, leading to
> positive difference density just because of the missing bulk solvent
> density. Since the days of X-PLOR, I always removed the omitted atoms. I
> never tried this with REFMAC5, though.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Dirk.
> On 07.04.21 11:46, Eleanor Dodson wrote:
>
> Well - I use COOT for this sort of task, and dont trust the automated
> tools.
> my procedure is
> load COOT - probably after a refinement cycle
> set occupancy of ligand(s) to 0.00 ( Measures - residue information -
> change occupancy)
> Look at the environment critically . eg if an ARG or other bulky side
> chain nearby , or waters etc selectively set occupancies to 0.00
>
> Doo some more cycles of refinement with this coordinate set to remove any
> memory of the ligand.
>
> Look at the map - if the ligand and other zero occ atoms is still in the
> right place reinstate them, or try to reinterpret density..
> Eleanor
>
>
>
> On Wed, 7 Apr 2021 at 08:39, Bjarte Aarmo Lund <bjarte.l...@uit.no> wrote:
>
>> Dear Hari,
>>
>>
>>
>> With regards to 1) Is 15 the number of atoms in your molecule? Or is it
>> the number of hydrogens? The CIF file may have the wrong residue name or
>> lack the hydrogens depending on how you built the ligand-protein complex.
>>
>> There is also a phenixbb for phenix questions,
>> http://www.phenix-online.org/mailman/listinfo/phenixbb
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Kind regards,
>>
>>
>>
>> Bjarte Aarmo Lund
>>
>> Postdoc
>>
>> UiT The Arctic University of Norway
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* CCP4 bulletin board <CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK> * On Behalf Of *Hari
>> shankar
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 7, 2021 08:47
>> *To:* CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK
>> *Subject:* [ccp4bb] Omit maps in phenix and ccp4
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Dear All,
>>
>>
>>
>> I have a ligand-protein complex and I wish to calculate different kinds
>> of omit maps (say, composite omit maps, simulated annealing maps, other
>> unbiased fo-fc maps ). I wish to omit the ligand and 3.5 angstrom 3D space
>> around it. I have tried phenix for this purpose but get this error message
>> consistently.
>>
>>
>>
>> "Fatal problems interpreting model file: no of atoms with unknown
>> nonbonded energy type symbols: 15 Please edit the model file to resolve the
>> problems and/of supply a CIF file with matching restraint definitions,
>> along with apply_cif_modification and apply_cif_link parameter definitions
>> if necessary."
>>
>>
>>
>> This error occurs despite supplying the CIF file for the ligand. I have
>> tried to remake the CIF/PDB files from SMILES strings, by drawing the
>> molecule in both ccp4 (acedrug) as well as phenix (elBOW and Readyset go).
>> Nothing seems to work.
>>
>>
>>
>> 1. Is there something I have missed out that can solve this issue?
>>
>> 2. Is there a program in CCP4i that can be used to generate the required
>> omit maps?
>>
>> 3. In general, how do I omit 3.5 ang of the space around the ligand
>> during this map calculations?
>>
>>
>> Thank you so much for your time.
>> Hari
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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