Dear Vito, In that case, and from what I can see from the picture you shared, I would guess that it is mainly the effect of the low occupancy of this I3C. The peak height of the iodide atoms seems low. Pierre
De : CCP4 bulletin board [CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK] de la part de Vito Calderone [calder...@cerm.unifi.it] Envoyé : mercredi 10 juin 2020 10:54 À : CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Objet : [ccp4bb] R: [ccp4bb] R: [ccp4bb] Heavy atom vs light atoms density Dear John, I would say that in that case the FoFc is basically flat. Vito Da: CCP4 bulletin board <CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK> Per conto di John R Helliwell Inviato: mercoledì 10 giugno 2020 10:40 A: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Oggetto: Re: [ccp4bb] R: [ccp4bb] Heavy atom vs light atoms density Dear Vito, The I3C isn't like the platins as a challenge to the 2Fo-Fc map. It maybe is more akin to the situation we described here:- https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1107/S0907444903004219 ie what does your Fo-Fc map, with three iodines placed, at the correct occupancy, look like? Best wishes, John Emeritus Professor John R Helliwell DSc On 10 Jun 2020, at 09:34, Vito Calderone <calder...@cerm.unifi.it<mailto:calder...@cerm.unifi.it>> wrote: Dear Pierre, I was in particular talking of 2FoFc refinement maps. In the attached picture for example you can see the 2FoFc map contoured at 1 sigma level of an I3C molecule bound to a protein where for I3C the only visible density is that of iodines whereas the density of the other atoms of the ligand is insignificant. Best regards Vito -----Messaggio originale----- Da: CCP4 bulletin board <CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK<mailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK>> Per conto di LEGRAND Pierre Inviato: mercoledì 10 giugno 2020 09:31 A: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK<mailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK> Oggetto: Re: [ccp4bb] Heavy atom vs light atoms density Dear Vito, Could you precise in what kind of maps are you experiencing these effects: 2FoFc refinement maps or experimental phasing ? I had this kind of effects long ago in experiemental phasing due to Fourier transform ripple effects. This could be due to scaling problems, low resolution truncation or incompletness (maybe intensity overloads). Another source condition could be local X-ray dose degradation due to the high absoption of the metals. Best regards, Pierre Legrand PROXIMA-1, SOLEIL ________________________________________ De : CCP4 bulletin board [CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK] de la part de Vito Calderone [calder...@cerm.unifi.it] Envoyé : mercredi 10 juin 2020 08:42 À : CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK<mailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK> Objet : [ccp4bb] Heavy atom vs light atoms density Dear All, many of us have probably experienced that, in the diffraction of protein ligands containing heavy atoms (cisPt, I3C, etc), the overwhelming electron density of the metal can totally flatten that of the light atoms around (or rather make it look insignificant). Is anyone aware of an article/review (to use as a reference) in which this is clearly stated/pointed out? Best regards Vito Calderone ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the CCP4BB list, click the following link: https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?SUBED1=CCP4BB&A=1 ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the CCP4BB list, click the following link: https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?SUBED1=CCP4BB&A=1 This message was issued to members of www.jiscmail.ac.uk/CCP4BB<http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/CCP4BB>, a mailing list hosted by www.jiscmail.ac.uk<http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk>, terms & conditions are available at https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/policyandsecurity/ ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the CCP4BB list, click the following link: https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?SUBED1=CCP4BB&A=1 This message was issued to members of www.jiscmail.ac.uk/CCP4BB<http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/CCP4BB>, a mailing list hosted by www.jiscmail.ac.uk<http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk>, terms & conditions are available at https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/policyandsecurity/ <I3C_3.png> ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the CCP4BB list, click the following link: https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?SUBED1=CCP4BB&A=1 ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the CCP4BB list, click the following link: https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?SUBED1=CCP4BB&A=1 ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the CCP4BB list, click the following link: https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?SUBED1=CCP4BB&A=1 This message was issued to members of www.jiscmail.ac.uk/CCP4BB, a mailing list hosted by www.jiscmail.ac.uk, terms & conditions are available at https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/policyandsecurity/