In defense of redundancy:

While the IUCr online dictionary is notably silent about multiplicity, the term 
itself seems
already oversubscribed and used differently in various crystallographic 
contexts.

(i) Each general or special  position in a crystal structure has a certain 
multiplicity, defined by symmetry.

(ii) General reflection multiplicity M is usually is defined by reflection 
symmetry, and 
when reflections are affected by special operations, the resulting 
corresponding 
lower multiplicity because they map onto themselves is accounted for in the 
epsilon factor e. 

Btw a useful table of M and e is Iwasaki & Ito Acta Cryst. (1977). A33, 227-229

(iii) In case of Laue patterns, overlap of higher order reflections is also 
called Multiplicity afaik
(various Helliwell/Moffat et al papers explain this).

So expanding the term multiplicity to include multiple instances of 
measurements of the same reflections 
- while admittedly avoiding the connotation of obsolescence - adds to its 
promiscuous meaning,
where context becomes part of the definition....

I abstain from making any suggestions because in the past this has led to 
interesting
but time-consuming philosophical discourse, proving in general the multiplicity 
of my reflections 
and positions redundant if not obsolete. 

Best, BR

-----Original Message-----
From: CCP4 bulletin board [mailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK] On Behalf Of Kay 
Diederichs
Sent: Sonntag, 18. Januar 2015 09:28
To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK
Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] Redundancy vs no of frames

Dear Rohit Kumar,

I prefer the term "multiplicity" instead of "redundancy" because the latter has 
a connotation of "not really needed any more".

The relation then is

multiplicity = c * number_of_frames * oscillation_range

where the constant c depends mainly on the space group.

HTH,

Kay 

On Sun, 18 Jan 2015 02:35:46 +0530, rohit kumar <rohit...@gmail.com> wrote:

>Dear all,
>
>Can anyone tell me how to calculate number of frames from redundancy or 
>vica versa
>
>Thank you
>

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