Twin laws are possible if there are 2 ways to index your cell, and
non-merefedral twinning is possible in any system depending on the cell.

I am not sure of the small molecule tools to check twinning though.
Eleanor Dodson



On 13 August 2014 05:58, Lijun Liu <lijunli...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi, Pc may not be the space group for your crystal, if the molecule is
> chiral.  Seems like the data were forced to be reduced to a mirror_related
> SG.  Lijun
> On Aug 13, 2014 2:00 AM, "Kristof Van Hecke" <kristofrg.vanhe...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Dear,
>>
>> I’m struggling with the following (small molecule) problem:
>>
>> We are trying to solve the structure of a metal-organic framework
>> containing a chiral compound.
>> The space group is most probably Pc, but when refining, SHELX gives the
>> error “Possible racemic twin or wrong absolute structure - try TWIN
>> refinement”.
>> As we know our compound is enantiopure, a racemic twin is very unlikely.
>> In this regard, also a centro-symmetric space group is not possible
>> (although CrysAlisPro always gives P2/c as the proper space group). As a
>> matter of fact, trying different space groups is not solving the problem.
>>
>> The second problem is that half of the structure is visible, but the
>> other half is completely not clear. Refinement is not possible at all
>> (R-value of 33%).
>> When running TwinRotMat (Platon), I get the following possible 2-fold
>> twin axes:
>>
>> 2-axis (   0   1  -1 ) [  -2   5  -4 ], Angle () [] =  2.31 Deg, Freq =
>>  14
>>                         *************
>> (-0.992   -0.019    0.015)   (h1)   (h2)                   Nr Overlap =
>>  84
>> (-0.430    0.075   -0.860) * (k1) = (k2)                         BASF =
>>  0.96
>> ( 0.459   -1.146   -0.083)   (l1)   (l2)                        DEL-R
>> =-0.064
>>
>> 2-axis (   0   1   1 ) [   2   5   4 ], Angle () [] =  2.31 Deg, Freq =
>>  15
>>                         *************
>> (-0.992    0.019    0.015)   (h1)   (h2)                   Nr Overlap =
>> 229
>> ( 0.430    0.075    0.860) * (k1) = (k2)                         BASF =
>>  0.94
>> ( 0.459    1.146   -0.083)   (l1)   (l2)                        DEL-R
>> =-0.050
>>
>> 2-axis (   1   0  -2 ) [   3   0  -2 ], Angle () [] =  0.54 Deg, Freq =
>>  19
>>                         *************
>> (-0.136    0.000   -0.576)   (h1)   (h2)                   Nr Overlap =
>> 992
>> ( 0.000   -1.000    0.000) * (k1) = (k2)                         BASF =
>>  0.86
>> (-1.703    0.000    0.136)   (l1)   (l2)                        DEL-R
>> =-0.030
>>
>> 2-axis (   1   2  -1 ) [   5   5  -1 ], Angle () [] =  0.39 Deg, Freq =
>>  13
>>                         *************
>> (-0.380    0.620   -0.124)   (h1)   (h2)                   Nr Overlap =
>> 854
>> ( 1.256    0.256   -0.251) * (k1) = (k2)                         BASF =
>>  0.88
>> (-0.617   -0.617   -0.877)   (l1)   (l2)                        DEL-R
>> =-0.019
>>
>> However, none of these do actually improve the refinement.
>>
>>
>> Has anyone encountered possible twinning/twin laws in Pc please?
>> Or any other suggestions are most welcome?
>>
>>
>> Thank you very much
>>
>> Kristof
>>
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