Hi,

please post the pointless table  "Analysing rotational symmetry in lattice 
group P 6/m m m". This gives a quite clear information about the 
presence/absence of rotational symmetry axes. 
Look at at the following example

Analysing rotational symmetry in lattice group P 6/m m m
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Scores for each symmetry element

Nelmt  Lklhd  Z-cc    CC        N  Rmeas    Symmetry & operator (in Lattice 
Cell)

  1   0.936   9.71   0.97    8676  0.077     identity
  2   0.936   9.74   0.97   12213  0.071 *** 2-fold l ( 0 0 1) {-h,-k,l}
  3   0.055   1.58   0.16   12097  0.514     2-fold k ( 0 1 0) {-h,h+k,-l}
  4   0.056   1.74   0.17   12146  0.495     2-fold h ( 1 0 0) {h+k,-k,-l}
  5   0.056   1.73   0.17   12274  0.505     2-fold   ( 1-1 0) {-k,-h,-l}
  6   0.055   1.61   0.16   12238  0.521     2-fold   ( 2-1 0) {h,-h-k,-l}
  7   0.056   1.69   0.17   12148  0.495     2-fold   (-1 2 0) {-h-k,k,-l}
  8   0.056   1.71   0.17   12056  0.511     2-fold   ( 1 1 0) {k,h,-l}
  9   0.248   6.35   0.64   24331  0.326     3-fold l ( 0 0 1) 
{k,-h-k,l}{-h-k,h,l}
 10   0.245   6.32   0.63   24629  0.327     6-fold l ( 0 0 1) 
{h+k,-h,l}{-k,h+k,l}


Here, the 2-fold symmetry is just as good as the identity, and all the other 
symmetries are insignificant, with one exception: there is a pseudo-3fold that 
together with the true 2-fold gives a pseudo-6fold. So the true space group is 
P2 (or P2_1) but it has 3-fold NCS.
I have seen even more interesting cases, where the CC was 0.8 to 0.9 for some 
rotational elements - but even such a seemingly high CC was significantly lower 
than the CC for the identity.
So my advice is: look at this table, and compare the CC values with that of the 
identity operation.

Two caveats are: 
1) a CC may be lower than the identity, due to radiation damage (but that must 
then be quite significant)
2) a CC may be high, but still not mean true crystallographic symmetry, if 
there is twinning

Finally, a different topic: Rmerge and Rmeas refer to precision of unmerged 
data, and their values have no immediate relation to I/sigma, a precision 
indicator for the merged data (in this table). So when somehow trying to 
compare these values, you are comparing apples to oranges - but this is 
meaningless.  

HTH,

Kay

On Wed, 7 May 2014 18:26:24 +0100, <Rain Field> <rainfiel...@163.com> wrote:

>Hi all,
>I have a 360 degree data set collect on home beam.
>I used XDS to integrate the frames in P1. 
>I progressively merge the data from P1 to P2 or P1 to P3 in XDS and attach the 
>log below.
>The cell looks like P3 and pointless suggest P6. But the Rmerge and Rmeas are 
>much higher than normal at I/sigmaI=2. 
>I think P1 might be the true space group. But the Rpim reported by aimless 
>seems high in the high resolution shell. Why is that?
>Thanks!
>
>  LATTICE-  BRAVAIS-   QUALITY  UNIT CELL CONSTANTS (ANGSTROEM & DEGREES)    
> REINDEXING TRANSFORMATION
> CHARACTER  LATTICE     OF FIT      a      b      c   alpha  beta gamma
>
> *  31        aP          0.0      62.5   82.5   82.6  60.1  89.9  90.0   -1  
> 0  0  0  0 -1 -1  0  0 -1  0  0
> *  44        aP          0.2      62.5   82.5   82.6 119.9  90.1  90.0    1  
> 0  0  0  0  1  1  0  0 -1  0  0
> *  41        mC          0.6     143.1   82.5   62.5  90.0  90.1  90.0    0  
> 1 -1  0  0 -1 -1  0 -1  0  0  0
> *  30        mC          0.7      82.5  143.1   62.5  89.9  90.0  90.0    0 
> -1 -1  0  0  1 -1  0  1  0  0  0
> *  35        mP          1.0      82.5   62.5   82.6  90.1 119.9  90.0    0 
> -1 -1  0 -1  0  0  0  0  1  0  0
> *  40        oC          1.2      82.5  143.1   62.5  89.9  90.0  90.0    0 
> -1 -1  0  0 -1  1  0 -1  0  0  0
> *  20        mC          2.6     142.9   82.6   62.5  90.0  90.0  90.1    0 
> -2 -1  0  0  0 -1  0  1  0  0  0
> *  23        oC          3.3      82.6  142.9   62.5  90.0  90.0  89.9    0  
> 0  1  0  0 -2 -1  0  1  0  0  0
> *  25        mC          3.3      82.6  142.9   62.5  90.0  90.0  89.9    0  
> 0  1  0  0 -2 -1  0  1  0  0  0
> *  22        hP          3.5      82.5   82.6   62.5  90.1  90.0 119.9    0  
> 1  1  0  0 -1  0  0  1  0  0  0
>    37        mC        249.8     176.5   62.5   82.5  90.0 117.8  69.3    1 
> -2  0  0  1  0  0  0  0  1  1  0
>    42        oI        250.0      62.5   82.5  156.1  90.0 113.6  90.0   -1  
> 0  0  0  0 -1 -1  0  1 -1  1  0
>    39        mC        250.6     176.4   62.5   82.6  90.0 117.9  69.2    1 
> -2 -2  0  1  0  0  0  0  0  1  0
>    33        mP        434.8      62.5   82.5   82.6 119.9  90.1  90.0    1  
> 0  0  0  0  1  1  0  0 -1  0  0
>    34        mP        435.2      62.5   82.6   82.5 119.9  90.0  90.1   -1  
> 0  0  0  0  1  0  0  0 -1 -1  0
>    32        oP        435.4      62.5   82.5   82.6 119.9  90.1  90.0    1  
> 0  0  0  0  1  1  0  0 -1  0  0
>    21        tP        437.6      82.5   82.6   62.5  90.1  90.0 119.9    0  
> 1  1  0  0 -1  0  0  1  0  0  0
>
>
>
>P1:
> SUBSET OF INTENSITY DATA WITH SIGNAL/NOISE >= -3.0 AS FUNCTION OF RESOLUTION
> RESOLUTION     NUMBER OF REFLECTIONS    COMPLETENESS R-FACTOR  R-FACTOR 
> COMPARED I/SIGMA   R-meas  CC(1/2)  Anomal  SigAno   Nano
>   LIMIT     OBSERVED  UNIQUE  POSSIBLE     OF DATA   observed  expected       
>                                Corr
>
>     8.45        4500    1165      1288       90.5%       2.2%      2.4%     
> 4498   51.19      2.6%    99.9*    10    0.838    1030
>     6.27        7174    1844      1872       98.5%       3.1%      3.0%     
> 7173   35.92      3.6%    99.9*    11*   0.906    1671
>     5.20        9009    2288      2324       98.5%       4.5%      4.3%     
> 9008   26.88      5.2%    99.8*     4    0.835    2168
>     4.55       10597    2686      2744       97.9%       5.2%      5.2%    
> 10595   22.65      6.0%    99.7*    -2    0.776    2557
>     4.09       12051    3051      3147       96.9%       7.5%      7.5%    
> 12048   16.93      8.7%    99.4*     2    0.779    2915
>     3.75       12740    3226      3342       96.5%      14.8%     14.5%    
> 12738    9.37     17.1%    98.2*     1    0.760    3078
>     3.48       14344    3631      3738       97.1%      22.2%     22.2%    
> 14342    6.36     25.7%    95.8*     0    0.785    3471
>     3.26       15079    3813      3948       96.6%      47.3%     48.5%    
> 15076    2.99     54.8%    83.7*    -1    0.714    3655
>     3.08       14088    3797      4242       89.5%      99.7%    105.6%    
> 13945    1.30    116.0%    58.6*    -2    0.636    3133
>    total       99582   25501     26645       95.7%       7.7%      7.9%    
> 99423   14.49      9.0%    99.9*     1    0.765   23678
>
>P2:
> SUBSET OF INTENSITY DATA WITH SIGNAL/NOISE >= -3.0 AS FUNCTION OF RESOLUTION
> RESOLUTION     NUMBER OF REFLECTIONS    COMPLETENESS R-FACTOR  R-FACTOR 
> COMPARED I/SIGMA   R-meas  CC(1/2)  Anomal  SigAno   Nano
>   LIMIT     OBSERVED  UNIQUE  POSSIBLE     OF DATA   observed  expected       
>                                Corr
>
>     8.45        4499     638       711       89.7%       2.5%      2.7%     
> 4497   63.58      2.8%   100.0*    16*   0.892     534
>     6.27        7172     986       993       99.3%       3.5%      3.5%     
> 7172   46.06      3.7%    99.9*    10    0.948     872
>     5.20        8963    1202      1213       99.1%       4.9%      4.9%     
> 8963   35.19      5.3%    99.9*     2    0.849    1101
>     4.55       10598    1413      1427       99.0%       5.8%      5.9%    
> 10598   29.79      6.2%    99.9*    -5    0.781    1308
>     4.09       12047    1608      1630       98.7%       8.5%      8.4%    
> 12047   22.42      9.1%    99.6*    -7    0.758    1500
>     3.75       12672    1687      1721       98.0%      16.2%     16.0%    
> 12672   12.64     17.4%    98.9*     0    0.753    1591
>     3.48       14380    1918      1925       99.6%      24.7%     24.5%    
> 14380    8.50     26.5%    97.9*    -1    0.806    1806
>     3.26       15077    2011      2024       99.4%      51.5%     53.6%    
> 15077    4.05     55.4%    90.8*    -2    0.713    1907
>     3.08       14130    2055      2169       94.7%     109.3%    117.3%    
> 14076    1.71    118.1%    73.6*    -4    0.624    1799
>    total       99538   13518     13813       97.9%       8.6%      8.8%    
> 99482   18.92      9.2%    99.9*    -2    0.768   12418
>
>P3:
> SUBSET OF INTENSITY DATA WITH SIGNAL/NOISE >= -3.0 AS FUNCTION OF RESOLUTION
> RESOLUTION     NUMBER OF REFLECTIONS    COMPLETENESS R-FACTOR  R-FACTOR 
> COMPARED I/SIGMA   R-meas  CC(1/2)  Anomal  SigAno   Nano
>   LIMIT     OBSERVED  UNIQUE  POSSIBLE     OF DATA   observed  expected       
>                                Corr
>
>     8.45        4507     394       429       91.8%       2.8%      3.0%     
> 4506   78.31      2.9%   100.0*    22*   0.920     393
>     6.27        7171     621       621      100.0%       3.8%      3.7%     
> 7171   56.42      3.9%   100.0*    19*   1.021     621
>     5.20        8953     769       774       99.4%       5.2%      5.1%     
> 8953   43.07      5.4%    99.9*     4    0.886     769
>     4.55       10586     907       911       99.6%       6.1%      6.2%    
> 10586   36.58      6.4%    99.9*    -1    0.774     907
>     4.09       11997    1033      1045       98.9%       8.9%      8.8%    
> 11997   27.69      9.3%    99.8*    -2    0.768    1033
>     3.75       12620    1087      1112       97.8%      16.8%     16.6%    
> 12620   15.75     17.5%    99.4*     0    0.777    1087
>     3.48       14358    1240      1240      100.0%      25.7%     25.6%    
> 14358   10.50     26.9%    98.5*    -4    0.776    1240
>     3.26       15023    1302      1306       99.7%      52.5%     55.0%    
> 15023    5.11     54.9%    94.1*     1    0.718    1301
>     3.08       14198    1358      1410       96.3%     113.0%    122.5%    
> 14162    2.12    118.7%    79.3*    -7    0.617    1263
>    total       99413    8711      8848       98.5%       9.0%      9.2%    
> 99376   23.01      9.4%   100.0*     0    0.777    8614
>
>P1(aimless)
>                                           Overall  InnerShell  OuterShell
>Low resolution limit                       19.82     19.82      3.46
>High resolution limit                       3.20      8.47      3.20
>Rmerge  (all I+ and I-)                    0.071     0.022     0.561
>Rmeas (all I+ & I-)                        0.082     0.026     0.649
>Rpim (all I+ & I-)                         0.041     0.013     0.326
>Total number of observations               90529      4500     18945
>Total number unique                        22976      1165      4789
>Mean((I)/sd(I))                             16.1      53.6       2.5
>Mn(I) half-set correlation CC(1/2)         0.999     0.999     0.806
>Completeness                                97.6      91.4      97.0
>Multiplicity                                 3.9       3.9       4.0

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