Hi Clemens
   I guess the reason you say 'arbitrary' is because there is no explanation of 
this rule decision? 
  It would be nice if some rationalization was available alongside the values 
given. So a sentence along the lines of 'we set the number owing to the 
following considerations' ? 

  However a further layer of variation is that the rule does not seem to be 
consistently applied
 - just browsing CYS modifications:
   iodoacetamide treatment gives a CYS with only 4 additional atoms but it is 
split off as  ACM.
   However some ligands much larger than 10 residues have been kept with the 
cysteine ( for example CY7 in 2jiv and NPH in 1a18.  
   My betting is that it depends on whether something has been seen 'going 
solo' as a non-covalent ligand previously so that it pops up as an atomic 
structural match with a pre-defined three-letter code.
  This would explain for example the ACM case which you might expect to occur 
in a modified Cys.  But it has also been observed as a non-polymer ligand in 
its own right so goes on as a separate modification?
   However to be honest I am not sure I have ever seen the rationale for this 
written down. 

  'Non-polymer' heterogens can turn up either linked or not. Once they are in 
the residues they have to make a call on which kind of backbone they will 
feature in within the pdb.
  That is why there is  'D5M' for non-polymer deoxyAMP. Also known as ' DA' 
when it is 'DNA-linking' but so far not fessing up to life under a third code 
as 'RNA-linking'.... 

Now is perhaps the time to ask for explanations of these nomenclature features 
before they become hard-wired in the new pdb deposition system (however there 
may be time - I refer you to my previous posting ;). 
  
 Cheers
    Martyn 
  
Dr Martyn Symmons
Cambridge


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 From: Michael Weyand <michael.wey...@uni-bayreuth.de>
To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK 
Sent: Monday, 8 July 2013, 10:03
Subject: [ccp4bb] modified amino acids in the PDB
 

Dear colleagues,

We deposited protein structures with modified lysine side chains and
were surprised that the PDB treats the modification as an independent
molecule, with a “LINK” record indicating the covalent bond – instead of
defining a modified residue (that’s what we had uploaded to the PDB).
Apparently, anything attached to an amino acid is considered an
independent molecule (and the lysine just called a regular lysine) if it
comprises more than 10 atoms (see below for the PDB guidelines).

I think that’s kind of arbitrary and would give all modified residue
also modified names – i.e. individual names for all modified lysines, as
it is done for acetyl- or methyl-lysines, for example. I wonder what
other people’s opinion is?!

Best regards

Clemens

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This is in accordance to the wwPDB annotation guidelines
(http://www.wwpdb.org/procedure.html#toc_2).
"*Modified amino acids and nucleotides* If an amino acid or nucleotide
is modified by a chemical group greater than 10 atoms, the residue will
be split into two groups: the amino acid/nucleotide group and the
modification. A link record will be generated between the amino
acid/nucleotide group and the modification. For modified amino acids and
nucleotides that were not split will follow standard atom nomenclature."

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