Dear All,

I want to thank all for your helpful and quick suggestions and insight.

It was a very good discussion and also helped in understanding the topic.

Thanks again.

-- 
Sonali Dhindwal

“Live as if you were to die tomorrow. Learn as if you were to live forever.”

--- On Mon, 18/3/13, Ian Tickle <ianj...@gmail.com> wrote:

From: Ian Tickle <ianj...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] Query regarding the use of anisotropic temperature factor 
and ideal rmsAngle and rmsBond length values
To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK
Date: Monday, 18 March, 2013, 4:06 AM

On 17 March 2013 13:19, Robbie Joosten <robbie_joos...@hotmail.com> wrote:






Small 
addition to Ian's comment. The value you give with 'weight auto $value' 
is a starting value. Refmac will gradually change it if needed (it's 
autoweighting after all) and your starting value
 does matter somewhat. Based on Ian's advice PDB_REDO uses a starting 
value of 2.50 which seems to do the trick most of the times.



Cheers,

Robbie

Good point, here's an example from a Refmac log file of that 
happening in practice using Refmac_5.8.0031 (output redacted so not 
showing every iteration):


  Data line--- WEIGHT AUTO 0.95

 Weight matrix   1.00564407E-02
 Actual weight   0.94999999      is applied to the X-ray term
 
 Weight matrix   1.19658876E-02
 Actual weight   0.94999999      is applied to the X-ray term



 Weight matrix   1.67442132E-02
 Actual weight    1.2349999      is applied to the X-ray term

 Weight matrix   2.25313306E-02
 Actual weight    1.6054999      is applied to the X-ray term

 Weight matrix   2.31216233E-02


 Actual weight    1.6054999      is applied to the X-ray term
 
 Weight matrix   2.32296251E-02
 Actual weight    1.6054999      is applied to the X-ray term

 Weight matrix   2.34125387E-02
 Actual weight    1.6054999      is applied to the X-ray term



 Weight matrix   3.04648653E-02
 Actual weight    2.0871499      is applied to the X-ray term

 Weight matrix   3.05170882E-02
 Actual weight    2.0871499      is applied to the X-ray term



So here I inputted Wa = 0.95 (I deliberately chose it too small), and 
Refmac calculates what the equivalent value of Wm (1.00564407E-02) would
 have been (i.e. inputting WEIGHT MATRIX 1.00564407E-02 would have given
 identical results to WEIGHT AUTO 0.95).  However what is actually used 
('Actual weight') in the refinement calculation is Wa.  Then Wa is 
automatically optimised according to Refmac's internal criteria, giving a
 final optimised value Wa = 2.09.  Note that Wm changes as the model is 
improved even when Wa is kept fixed.

 
Cheers

-- Ian






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