Dear Stefan, We recently had a case where a protein mutant formed tetramers with internal 21212 symmetry. It turned out that these internal symmetry axis would align perfectly with the crystallographic symmetry axes, but with some translations. All processing programs including XDS and pointless would insists that the space group was P21212, as was wildtype. However, molecular replacement did not work, resulting in large gaps in the packing, or if one would push very hard, some well defined molecules and some poorly defined molecules. You may have the same problem. The tetramers of octamers (I cannot deduce them from your picture) will have a perfect 4-fold or 422 symmetry, with will leave a very strong imprint on your diffraction data, like in our case. We solved to problem by going back to P1, and from the P1 solution deduce the real space group (which turned out to be P21). In your case I would process the data in P1 and do an MR search with the tetramers (or octamers) you show in your picture. The number of octamers to be found should be reasonable. Best, Herman
________________________________ From: CCP4 bulletin board [mailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK] On Behalf Of Stefan Gajewski Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 6:24 PM To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] very strange lattice: high anisotropy, 78% solvent content and maybe merohedral twinning Thanks to everyone so far. Here is a snapshot looking down the long dimension so you see the (absence) of contacts in a and b. As I posted earlier, there is no mainchain atom in my protein unaccounted for in that region of the lattice. the few disordered elements are far away from that close gap. And yes, I use NCS restraints. Stefan