Dear Boaz, I think you are the one who is finally asking the essential question. The classification we all know about, which goes back to the 19th century, is not into 230 space groups, but 230 space-group *types*, i.e. classes where every form of equivalencing (esp. by choice of setting) has been applied to the enumeration of the classes and the choice of a unique representative for each of them. This process of maximum reduction leaves very little room for the introducing "conventions" like a certain ordering of the lengths of cell parameters. This seems to me to be a major mess-up in the field - a sort of "second-hand mathematics by (IUCr) committee" which has remained so ill-understood as to generate all these confusions. The work on the derivation of the classes of 4-dimensional space groups explained the steps of this classification beautifully (arithmetic classes -> extension by non-primitive translations -> equivalencing under the action of the normaliser), the last step being the choice of a privileged setting *in termns of the group itself* in choosing the representative of each class. The extra "convention" a<b<c leads to choosing that representative in a way that depends on the metric properties of the sample instead of once and for all (how about that for a brilliant step backward!). Software providers then have to de-standardise the set of 230 space group *types* (where each representative is uniquely defined once you give the space group (*type*) number) to accommodate all alternative choices of settings that might be randomly thrown at them by the metric properties of e.g. everyone's orthorhombic crystals. Mathematically, what one then needs to return to is the step before taking out the action of the normaliser, but this picture gets drowned in clerical disputes about low-level software issues.
My own take on this (when I was writing symmetry-reduction routines for my NCS-averaging programs, along with space-group specific FFT routines in the dark ages) was: once you have a complete mathematical classification that is engraved in stone (i.e. in the old International Tables and in crystallographic software as we knew it), then stick to it and re-index back and forth to/from the unique representative listed under the IT number, as needed - don't try and extend group-theoretic Tables to re-introduce incidental metrical properties that had been so neatly factored out from the final symmetry picture. Otherwise you get a dog's dinner. So much for my 0.02 Euro. With best wishes, Gerard. -- On Fri, Apr 01, 2011 at 11:30:12AM +0000, Boaz Shaanan wrote: > Excuse my naive (perhaps ignorant) question: when was the > a<b<c rule/convention/standard/whatever introduced? None of the > textbooks I came across mentions it as far as I could see (not that this is > reason for or against this rule of course). > > Thanks, > > Boaz > > > Boaz Shaanan, Ph.D. > Dept. of Life Sciences > Ben-Gurion University of the Negev > Beer-Sheva 84105 > Israel > Phone: 972-8-647-2220 ; Fax: 646-1710 > Skype: boaz.shaanan -- =============================================================== * * * Gerard Bricogne g...@globalphasing.com * * * * Global Phasing Ltd. * * Sheraton House, Castle Park Tel: +44-(0)1223-353033 * * Cambridge CB3 0AX, UK Fax: +44-(0)1223-366889 * * * ===============================================================