HI James,

Obviously, this depends a bit on which refinement program you use, and I am
> not familiar with all of them.  However, I have had some conversations with
> Garib "refmac" Murshudov and Pavel "phenix.refine" Afonine about this, and
> the shocking answer appears to be "no".
>

wow, I've got a middle name -:)


> Personally, I think that "something should be done" about disordered
> aliphatic hydrogens (particularly since I don't have to code it).


I'm doing this right now... Next version of phenix.refine will be smarter
about it.

But what about MolProbity? and all those neat inter-digitating hydrogens?
>  Should it not be possible for the refinement program to be "smarter" about
> where it puts riding hydrogens?  Well, that is always possible, but I don't
> think MolProbity is exactly built into refmac.  You can, however, run
> MolProbity before you put your model into refinement!
>

In fact, phenix.refine uses MolProbity to add H atoms (well, it uses Reduce
to add hydrogen atoms), and it updates their positions every macro-cycle!
MolProbity uses Reduce too to add H.


> The problem, of course, is if you have a 4.5 A structure with all the
> hydrogens built in you will get hateful comments containing the word
> "parameters" from undereducated reviewers.  I say "undereducated" because
> getting the electron count right is actually MORE important for low-angle
> structure factors than it is for high-angle ones (the extreme case of this
> being F000 itself).  Yes, explicit hydrogen atoms do slow down the
> refinement, and clutter the graphics, but they do not really add much by way
> of "free parameters".  Not if the geometric restraints are sensible.  In
> fact, the central lesson of MolProbity is that hydrogens do introduce (at
> least potentially) better geometric restraints.  Sort of like what an
> elastic network model can do (ahem).


Agree. That's what I keep saying over and over. Yes, H atom is a weak
scatterer, and it contributes to low resolution more than to high (similarly
to bulk-solvent). In fact its contribution to high resolution reflections
approaches zero.

Pavel.

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