No. No ice ring! Sorry I meant the strongest amplitudes of (Fo-Fc) at the 2.1 A around region in the reciprocal space, not the strongest densities on real space images. As Pavel suggested, this is a good case of anisotropicity. In my original email, I used "polarized" pattern to address this---I used the wrong nomenclature to address the same thing, I think. Lijun

Could any of those strong spots at 2.1 be ice?

---- Original message ----
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2010 16:13:31 -0700
From: Lijun Liu <lijun....@ucsf.edu>
Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] Residual densities!
To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK

 Pavel,
 Thanks for the quick response.  I just listed out
 the Fo-Fc column of the reflection files, and it
 looks the strongest densities are mostly along c*
 and many located in the 2.1A region.  I think you
 may be right.
 Lijun
 On Jul 20, 2010, at 4:05 PM, Pavel Afonine wrote:

   Hi,

   It looks like the data is highly anisotropic -
   I've seen it many times. You can either apply
   anisotropy correction
   (http://www.doe-mbi.ucla.edu/~sawaya/anisoscale/)
   or use PHENIX tools to compute the maps - anyone
   of both should help. The major difference between
   the two is that PHENIX will not modify your
   original data in any way. Let me if using PHENIX
   map calculation tools does not help.

   Cheers,
   Pavel.

   On 7/20/10 3:19 PM, Lijun Liu wrote:

     Hi all,
     I solved a structure and the refinement is close
     to complete.  However, some residual density
     puzzles me.
     The SG is P212121, and the c is 84.8 Å.  Along
     c, in several small but not all regions, there
     are some layered, alternately appeared positive
     and negative residual density pieces (c is the
     norm of these plane-like pieces; 3-sigma contour
     for pos and neg difference densities).  The
     distance between the neighboring positive pieces
     is measured to be ~2.1 Å, corresponding to
     ~1/40 *c.  In one of such region, there is an
     indole ring of Trp that is approximately
     parallel to the plane-like residual density
     pieces (attached figure).  In two other regions,
     there are Leu or else but not ring structure.
     The data is complete to 1.9 Å.  Reflection
     check did not show any special imcompleteness
     (ice ring loss, wedge loss, other resolution bin
     loss, etc).  It looks like to me that there is a
     systematic loss of information which made it is
     specially sensitive to ~2.1 Å reflections
     (especially those along c*).  It does not look
     like to me to be radiation damage.  Crystal was
     needle and showed somehow polarized (but never
     serious) diffraction pattern along c*.
     Attached is a piece of map with the
     above-mentioned Trp included.  I would like to
     know if some one also met something like this
     before.  Thanks for any comments.
     Lijun Liu
     Cardiovascular Research Institute
     University of California, San Francisco
     1700 4th Street, Box 2532
     San Francisco, CA 94158
     Phone: (415)514-2836

 Lijun Liu
 Cardiovascular Research Institute
 University of California, San Francisco
 1700 4th Street, Box 2532
 San Francisco, CA 94158
 Phone: (415)514-2836

Lijun Liu
Cardiovascular Research Institute
University of California, San Francisco
1700 4th Street, Box 2532
San Francisco, CA 94158
Phone: (415)514-2836



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