Thanks Stephen!

I was going to suggest that, but I was afraid of the self-appointed CCP4BB Gestapo that has been seen goose-stepping in this neighbourhood recently (Tassos recently accused me of becoming mellow and diplomatic in my dotage, so I hope I've set the record straight now). However, since this solution is neither CCP4 nor Phenix, we may get away with this heinous act of bulletin-board heresy... On the other hand, I've learned that it is often more expedient to beg for forgiveness than to ask for permission.

I would add that:

- I assume that the sequences and numbering are identical

- you should put the structures in one big PDB file and read it into LSQMAN

- since LSQMAN doesn't do true multiple-structure alignment, you could pre-align them, e.g. with SSM/PDBeFold

- if you didn't, you could indeed use the MCentral and MAlign commands to align them

- my favourite plot would be the "CD plot" (but then again, it would, wouldn't it?) - see for instance: http://xray.bmc.uu.se/cgi-bin/gerard/image_page.pl?image=usf/pics/cdplot_1ldn.gif - which is also produced with the MPlot command - http://xray.bmc.uu.se/usf/lsqman_man.html#S82 - a normal MPlot would look like this: http://xray.bmc.uu.se/cgi-bin/gerard/image_page.pl?image=usf/pics/mplot_1ldn.gif

- the output file of the normal MPlot command is in a form that can be quickly converted into an O datablock for those handy with an editor and familiar with O datablocks, and could then be used to ramp a model inside O

- you may also want to consider showing how the (main-chain or side-chain) torsion angles differ between the structures, e.g. by plotting the circular variance of phi and psi - see for instance http://xray.bmc.uu.se/cgi-bin/gerard/image_page.pl?image=usf/pics/vmain_1ldn.gif - as described here: http://xray.bmc.uu.se/usf/lsqman_man.html#S83 - or a multiple-model Ramachandran plot like this http://xray.bmc.uu.se/cgi-bin/gerard/image_page.pl?image=usf/pics/mrama_1ldn.gif (with the MRama command). The advantage is that no superposition is required at all and that any domain movements won't debeautify your results

--dvd




On Tue, 23 Feb 2010, Stephen Graham wrote:

I am pretty sure you can do this using LSQMAN from Gerard (BluRay?) Kleywegt.

The pertinent commands are MCENTRAL to determine the 'most
representative structure' (i.e. the one to align upon and show in the
figure), MALIGN to do the alignment and then MPLOT to calculate a
'multi-RMSD' for each residue (see manual for details - set the
'cut-off for printing' to 0 to get all values).

Regards depiction, I think pymol can also represent structures as
sausages based on their B values:
cartoon putty
show cartoon

HTH,

Stephen

On 23 February 2010 01:31, Ethan Merritt <merr...@u.washington.edu> wrote:
Hi all,

I am comparing 4 very similar (<1.5A rmsd) large (750 residues) structures,
but struggling to find a way to generate a figure that conveys where they
are most alike and where they diverge.

Simply drawing a superimposed set of backbone traces results in what looks
like colored spaghetti.  I don't think that's going to work.

So I had the idea of drawing a single backbone trace, or ribbon diagram,
and coloring by the RMSD of the four C-alphas at each residue position.
But I can't find a program that will output this as a table of numbers
I can use.  All of the multiple structure superposition programs must
have this information internally.  After all, that's what they are minimizing.
But do any of the programs provide an option to write it out?

I can get pairwise per-residue deviations by doing SSM superposition in Coot,
but that doesn't get me to an RMSD for all four structures jointly.

       Ethan


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Best wishes,

--Gerard

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