Dear All:

       Firstly  I would like to thank many folks here for giving me great ideas 
several days ago.

      The following are some updates for this question.

     I did ITC experiments again using 25mMTris(pH8), 60mM NaCl(low salt 
condition).

    But things still turn out to be a little weird. 

    I increased the concentration of both proteins(60uM in the cell and 1200uM 
in the syringe). At the end of the ITC, I saw a little of precipitation of both 
the proteins.

    Fortunately I can roughly fit the curve this time. However, the heat was 
still low, around 1Kcal/mole of per injectant.  I am not sure about the fitting 
statistics.



N         1.10     ±0.17

K         1.49E5 ±1.5E5

DH       -893.5  ±213

DS       20.7Was the enthalpy was offset by the ionization of Tris buffer?Can I 
use Hepes buffer around pH8 to do ITC?
  Welcome any comments about the statistics and suggestions on how to improve 
the ITC experiments.have a nice weekend.

Jerry 






    



> 
> Jerry McCully wrote:
> > Dear All:
> >  
> >         Recently I am pursuing the crystallziation of a complex formd 
> > by two individual proteins and I met several interesting problems 
> > though  they are kind of off-topic.
> >  
> >         Any suggestions for these problems will be highly appreciated.
> >  
> >         BIAcore showed about submicromolar affinity(both Kinetic and 
> > steady-state fitting) for these two proteins in the complex. However, 
> > precipitates immediately appeared when these two proteins were mixed 
> > together even at 10uM(<0.3mg/ml) concentration in the condition of low 
> > salt(less than 20mM NaCl).
> > By the way, these two proteins completely precipitated when the molar 
> > ratio is 1:1 in this condition.
> >  
> >  THerefore, I increased the salt concentraion step by step and finally 
> > I can keep both of them soluble in the solution with 25mM Tris(pH8) 
> > and 60mM NaCl(the minimum of salt concentration).   Wierd thing 
> > happened when ITC experiments were carried out to confirm the binding 
> > affinity.  20uM in the sample cell and 200uM in the syringe could not 
> > give enough heat for a good curve fitting. The optimistic estimation 
> > of the affinity is lower than 5uM, which is much lower than the 
> > affinity given by BIAcore in the same buffer(25mM Tris plus 150mM NaCl).
> >  
> >       Now I am suspecting the capability of the interaction between 
> > these two proteins. However, I can not explain why these two guys 
> > precipitated stoichiometrically if they do not interact with each other.
> >  
> >       Is the complex salt-sensitive therefore there was just minor 
> > binding in the high-salt condition revealed by ITC?
> >  
> >        I am planning to do the ITC again in the condition of 25mMTris 
> > and 60mM NaCl.
> >  
> >        What if the affinity given by ITC is still much lower than that 
> > by BIAcore. Which one should I choose to believe?
> >  
> >       Are there some better ways that  I can validate the binding 
> > affinity?
> >  
> >  
> >      Thanks again for your great ideas.
> >  
> > Jerry McCully
> >  
> >      
> >        
> >  
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