Hello All,

I have a question about some data with which I have been grappling. The crystal 
appears to be primitive cubic(p23). Are there alternate ways to index cubic 
data? I ask this question without regard to anomalous data. I have looked at 
several datasets in Xtriage. I wanted to merge data from two crystals together 
and I looked to see if it were necessary to reindex to do it properly. Here is 
what xtriage has to say.

Merging analysis between datasets from 2 different crystals(These datasets are 
"non-anomalous" datasets, ie Bijvoet pairs have been merged).

  Reference analyses
     The following reindexing operators have been found:

  -------------------------------------------------
  | Operator | Correlation | matches (%) | choice |
  -------------------------------------------------
  | h,k,l    | 0.000       | 89.6        |        |
  | -h,l,k   | 0.722       | 91.4        |  <---  |
  -------------------------------------------------

I'd have thought that there was a single indexing possibilty for the cubic 
space group in the absence of a consideration of the anomalous signal. And I'd 
accept that I were wrong if I hadn't looked at some other data.

So to cloud my thinking, I decided to look at the output from Xtriage for 
datasets from the same crystal collected 180 degrees apart. In this case the 
data were processed with HKL2000 with the same indexing setup, ie the crystal 
rotx,y,z reference zone etc and starting phis of x and x+180 were used. The 
data in this case is again treated as "non-anomalous" too.

  Reference analyses
     The following reindexing operators have been found:

  -------------------------------------------------
  | Operator | Correlation | matches (%) | choice |
  -------------------------------------------------
  | h,k,l    | -0.007      | 91.0        |        |
  | -h,l,k   | 0.719       | 92.7        |  <---  |
  -------------------------------------------------

What's going on here? I processed these two wedges at different times, but I 
kept all of the parameters consistent. Are there two choices of indexing? this 
doesn't seem possible, given that the indexing set-up was the same. or does 
denzo arbitrarily choose the configuration upon initial indexing irrelevant of 
what I tell it? I think not. Or might this show that my space group is of lower 
symmetry(rhombohedral or orthorhombic) than p23, with or without some possible 
pseudo-symmetry? 

In addition, I have other crystals of a similar complex(one protein has a 
single aa mutation) which are I23 with similar(2% difference) in cell 
constants. Same set-up as case 2, datasets from the same crystal collected 180 
degrees apart, data were processed with HKL2000 with the same indexing setup, 
ie the crystal rotx,y,z reference zone etc and starting phis of x and x+180 
were used. The data in this case is again treated as "non-anomalous" too. This 
data was processed at the same time.

  Reference analyses
     The following reindexing operators have been found:

  -------------------------------------------------
  | Operator | Correlation | matches (%) | choice |
  -------------------------------------------------
  | h,k,l    | 0.945       | 59.7        |  <---  |
  | -h,l,k   | 0.110       | 58.4        |        |
  -------------------------------------------------

This is what I'd have expected for case 2 as well. 


Lastly, for the P23(nor the I23 case for that matter) case, Xtriage doesn't 
indicate twinning. In each case, I can get a molecular replacement solution 
which has very reasonable near identical packing, my search model is 100% 
identical to one of the 2 proteins in the crystal. Unfortunately I don't see 
the second protein in the maps. It is about 20 percent the size of the other 
protein. The obvious answer is the second protein isn't there but I feel that 
it should be there because I get a nice Se fluorescence signal from the 
crystals, and the missing protein is the only one that is labeled. So I'm 
looking at possibilities of a misassigned space group, etc to get over the hump.

I hope all of this doesn't sound like mindless drivel. Any comments on any or 
all of this?

Thanks in advance.
todd

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