Phoebe, Any and every reviewer has right to request the coordinate file as well as sf file. The other question is: Why most of them are not exercising their rights?
Vaheh Oganesyan -----Original Message----- From: CCP4 bulletin board [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 8:10 PM To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] nature cb3 response A comment from my collaborator's student suggests a partial answer. This afternoon he happened to say "but of course the reviewers will look at the model, I just deposited it!". He was shocked to find that "hold for pub" means that even reviewers can't access the data. Can that be changed? It would take a bit of coordination between journals and the PDB, but I think the student is right - it is rather shocking that the data is sitting there nicely deposited but the reviewers can't review it. Phoebe Rice At 05:33 PM 8/16/2007, Bernhard Rupp wrote: >Ok, enough political (in)correctness. Irrespective of fabricated or not, >I think this points to a general problem of commercial journals and >their review process, as it seems that selling (.com) hot stuff >induces an extraordinary capability of denial. > >The comment, as someone noted, does not address the allegations >at all. This is reminiscent of my dealings with Nature in two >related cases: They ignore or stonewall until the dispute is ended >with an irrelevant comment. In one case, Axel B later proved >with the correct structure that what we had commented on earlier >was entirely correct. >In the second case, the comment (by some of the leading experts, >not just by me nobody) was rejected with no recourse based on another >non-fact-addressing author comment and not published at all. > >Compare this to a similar case, when the Jacs editor (.org <--) contacted me > >on its own accord to check for a related problem, leading to retraction >of the paper after the editor (a scientist himself) evaluated >facts and response. > >It also seems to depend on the handling Nature editor. I have made maps of >several structures from data unhesitantly provided by the editor when I >had reason to ask for them during review. Those were also responsive to >a mini-table-1-comment I sent on cb3, but I did not hear from the editor >assigned to cb3. > >This time again, the review completely failed (table 1 and comment issues), >and >the editorial process failed as well, because the response is not adequate. >If someone - as tentatively and tactfully it may have been phrased - accused > >me of faking data they'd eat shit until hell freezes over.... > >It is as simple as that: Extraordinary claim (super structure, bizarre stats >and properties) requires extraordinary proof. This rule has not been >followed, which reflects poorly on the scientific process in this case. > >I also note that in no case known to me, persons involved in irregularities >have ever appeared as frequent (or at all) communicators on the ccp4bb. > >As long as grant review and tenure committees rely on automated >bibliometrics >and impact factors (and who knows who) to decide academic careers and >funding, >the big journals will remain the winners. The system has become >self-perpetuating. > >Back to grant writing now..... >Need to get that paper out to nature... > >Cheers, br > >PS: it is pointless flaming me. I am the messenger only. > >-----Original Message----- >From: CCP4 bulletin board [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of >Bernhard Rupp >Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 2:03 PM >To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK >Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] nature cb3 comment pdf > >thxthxthx to all the day and night owls for the many copies!!!! >The winners have been selected, no more entries needed. >thx again br > >-----Original Message----- >From: Miriam Hirshberg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Miriam >Hirshberg >Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 1:58 PM >To: Bernhard Rupp >Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] nature cb3 comment pdf > > >attached, Miri > > >On Thu, 16 Aug 2007, Bernhard Rupp wrote: > > > my nature web connection just died for good (probably a preventive > > measure..) > > Could someone kindly email me the pdfs of the comment and response? > > Thx br > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > > Bernhard Rupp > > 001 (925) 209-7429 > > +43 (676) 571-0536 > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > http://www.ruppweb.org/ > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > > People can be divided in three classes: > > The few who make things happen > > The many who watch things happen > > And the overwhelming majority > > who have no idea what is happening. > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ --------------------------------------------------- Phoebe A. Rice Assoc. Prof., Dept. of Biochemistry & Molecular Biology The University of Chicago phone 773 834 1723 fax 773 702 0439 http://bmb.bsd.uchicago.edu/index.html http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/cassini/multimedia/pia06064.html
