I'm with Bill on this one. Despite the overwhelming evidence, one must still keep in mind that the accused, including all authors on the manscript for this structure, have yet to be 'convicted' in any legal sense. I hope the investigation is swift, thorough and leads to clear conclusions and satisfactory actions. It is beyond me why/how the situation would have developed, how the review process failed and how the journal failed in its editorial responsibility, but it did. Consequently, there are many ethical and scientific credibility issues to be sorted. Public excoriation of all those involved, while seemingly justified because our sensibilities have been assaulted, begins to approach mob justice. The discussion threads have led to some good ideas concerning raw data archiving, let's keep pursuing these issues within the community and improve the current state of the art. Tom Hurley Indiana University School of Medicine
________________________________ From: CCP4 bulletin board on behalf of William Scott Sent: Thu 8/16/2007 8:13 PM To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] The importance of USING our validation tools No one knows definitively if this was fabricated. Well, at least one person does. But I agree, it is important to keep in mind that the proper venue for determining guilt or innocence in the case of fraud is the court system. Until fairly recently, the idea of presumed innocence and the right to cross-examine accusers and witnesses has been considered fundamental to civil society. The case certainly sounds compelling, but this is all the more reason to adhere to these ideals. Bill Scott