I don't think Marko would say R+S is a pre-req. He got his R+S second, after SP.
On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 4:34 PM, Peter Fabian <[email protected]>wrote: > Not to diverge too much from the original topic, but in response to Max > (and i guess by proxy Marko :-), I think I have to disagree with the idea > that R&S be a prerequisite to any other CCIE track. I am first a voice > guy, and "grew up" learning call manager which migrated into other voip > platforms at the enterprise and service provider level. In general, the > last 10 years of my work life I have had the attitude that as long as my > bandwdith is clean I can do my job just fine. I've had this same > discussion with some educational guys before who felt ccnp should be a > prereq for ccvp, and I couldn't have disagreed with them more. I can do my > job just fine with my rudimentary knowledge of routing and switching. the > only real prereq for me would be subnetting and QoS. As I have looked to > hire new voice engineers the only thing i really care about is whether or > not they can subnet and have at least a working knowledge of QoS. In my > experience I have never needed an in depth knowledge of R&S to do my job. > That's why I have "network guys". > > The obvious objection to this argument (which others have posted in this > thread as support for R&S in general) is that voip doesn't work without > layers 1-3. I could make the same argument that then every network guy be > a programmer who actually rights the routing code. I certainly don't > disagree with this argument but think it is a different argument then the > prereq question. I will be a better more complete engineer upon completion > of my R&S, hence why I'm here :-), but I don't expect that even once I have > it that I will be "up to my elbows" in R&S stuff, but certainly when issues > arise I can better report/troubleshoot the problem with my network > engineers. The other benefit is that I would in theory not need a network > engineer thus opening the door for my skills with much smaller work forces > (ie startups ect.) (although I would argue that in any size network caring > for the network and voice is at least a two person job). > > > Anyways, interested to hear what you hard core R&S guys think. I'm sure > there's some support for everyone having the R&S so us pesky/picky layer > 4-7 guys will stop bothering you :-) > > <end soapbox> > Peter Fabian | Senior Voice Engineer | P: 602.740.5650 > > > > On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 1:18 PM, N. Max Pierson <[email protected] > >wrote: > > > I would have to agree with others on this thought. At some point, > > everything will utilize the network for transport. So the R&S track is > > extremely important if network is where you're thinking about taking up > > a career path. > > > > If you're asking which is going to make you more money, I would have to > say > > that "cloud" and "virtualization" (as over-hyped and marketed as they > are) > > is where the money will be. But why not do both? :) > > > > I believe Marko stated at one point during a conversation I had with him > > (and to which I would have to agree), that in order to do another CCIE > > track, the R&S should be a prerequisite. (However, I don't want to speak > > for Marko, as he may want to chime in here about this subject). Not sure > if > > Cisco would ever consider making this a reality though. > > > > -- > > max > > _______________________________________________ > > For more information regarding industry leading CCIE Lab training, please > > visit www.ipexpert.com > > > > Are you a CCNP or CCIE and looking for a job? Check out > > www.PlatinumPlacement.com > > > > http://onlinestudylist.com/mailman/listinfo/ccie_rs > > > _______________________________________________ > For more information regarding industry leading CCIE Lab training, please > visit www.ipexpert.com > > Are you a CCNP or CCIE and looking for a job? Check out > www.PlatinumPlacement.com > > http://onlinestudylist.com/mailman/listinfo/ccie_rs > -- Marc Abel CCIE #35470 (Routing and Switching) _______________________________________________ For more information regarding industry leading CCIE Lab training, please visit www.ipexpert.com Are you a CCNP or CCIE and looking for a job? Check out www.PlatinumPlacement.com http://onlinestudylist.com/mailman/listinfo/ccie_rs
