Antoine unicasted this to me, but gave me permission to repost it here.  I
was missing the forest for the trees -- we can use normal AS_PATH
prepending and Local_Pref to force routers to use the MPLS link before the
backup link.  I was thinking way too much about MPLS VPN and not near
enough about how the BGP Path Selection process!

See his reply below...

Keller Giacomarro
[email protected]


On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 3:31 AM, Antoine Monnier
<[email protected]>wrote:

> The " eBGP > iBGP" rule is way down in the list of rules for the BGP
> Best Path selection algorithm, you can tweak other parameters to make
> sure the PEs will select the iBGP routes over the eBGP routes.
>
> I just labed it and it is working fine : using as-path prepending
> outbound and local-preference inbound, the CEs prefer to go through
> the MPLS backbone to reach each other routes than to go through their
> back-to-back backdoor link. When the link to the MPLS network is down,
> they use the backdoor link.
>
>
> My topology :
> R3 (PE1) -------- R1 (PE2)
>   |                          |
>   |                          |
> R2 (CE1) -------- R5 (CE2)
>
>
> The PEs have standard configs, apart from as-override being configured
> towards the CEs.
>
>
> ============= R2 ===========================
> int loop222
>  ip add 2.2.2.2 255.255.255.0
>
> router bgp 65535
>  neighbor 155.1.25.5 remote-as 65535
>  neighbor 155.1.25.5 next-hop-self
>  network 2.2.2.0 mask 255.255.255.0
>
>  neighbor 155.1.23.3 remote-as 100
>  neighbor 155.1.23.3 route-map TO_PE out
>  neighbor 155.1.23.3 route-map FROM_PE in
>
>
> access-list 1 permit host 0.0.0.0
>
> route-map TO_PE permit 10
>  match ip next-hop 1
>
> route-map TO_PE permit 20
>  set as-path prepend 65535
>
>
> route-map FROM_PE permit 10
>  set local-preference 200
>
>
>
> ============= R5 ===========================
> int loop555
>  ip add 5.5.5.5 255.255.255.0
>
> router bgp 65535
>  neighbor 155.1.25.2 remote-as 65535
>  neighbor 155.1.25.2 next-hop-self
>  network 5.5.5.0 mask 255.255.255.0
>
>  neighbor 155.1.15.1 remote-as 100
>  neighbor 155.1.15.1 route-map TO_PE out
>  neighbor 155.1.15.1 route-map FROM_PE in
>
>
> access-list 1 permit host 0.0.0.0
>
> route-map TO_PE permit 10
>  match ip next-hop 1
>
> route-map TO_PE permit 20
>  set as-path prepend 65535
>
>
> route-map FROM_PE permit 10
>  set local-preference 200
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 3:14 AM, Keller Giacomarro <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> > You would think metric/AS_PATH manipulation would help, but nope.
>  Here's my
> > understanding of what's going on.
> >
> > PE1 -------- PE2
> >   |                |
> >   |                |
> > CE1 -------- CE2
> >
> > Running MP-BGP between PE1 and PE2 for MPLS VPN services.  Running BGP
> > between CE1 and CE2 as the internal routing protocol.
> > PE1 is eBGP peer with CE1.
> > PE2 is eBGP peer with CE2.
> > PE1 is iBGP peer with PE2.
> > CE1 is iBGP peer with CE2.
> >
> > In this configuration, the path between CE1 and CE2 will always be
> > preferred.  You would THINK that the eBGP path into the MPLS cloud would
> be
> > preferred (eBGP > iBGP), but it's not.
> >
> > CE1 injects a route into BGP.  It is advertised to CE2 via iBGP, which
> > installs it.  CE1 and CE2 both advertise the route to their eBGP
> neighbors
> > of PE1 and PE2.  Both PE routers install the route and advertise it to
> one
> > another.
> >
> > The gotcha is what happens now.  The routes shared between the PEs is
> iBGP.
> > Since eBGP > iBGP, both PE routers prefer the routes towards their
> > respective CEs.
> >
> > The result is that the CE routers share the prefix between them, but
> neither
> > receives it from their PE neighbor.  The only path the CEs can take is
> via
> > the path between them.  No amount of metric manipulation can choose a
> route
> > that the CEs are not receiving.
> >
> > Now, if the CE1 to CE2 link DOES go down, CE2 will end up learning the
> route
> > via the MPLS cloud...once the route propagates.  PE2 will have to
> > recalculate BGP, decide to prefer the (now only) path towards PE1 to get
> to
> > the prefix, then pass the route on to CE2.
> >
> > Regardless, I don't know of any way (besides doing a lot of manual route
> > filtering based on which routes are in the routing table) of making this
> > setup prefer the MPLS path and use the CE1 to CE2 link only as backup.
> >
> > This is my understanding, feel free to tell me how wrong I am. =)
> >
> > Keller Giacomarro
> > [email protected]
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 1:09 PM, Antoine Monnier <
> [email protected]>
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> I would have thought that you should be able to influence the PEs'
> >> decision using the usual tool such as AS-path prepending, MED, etc
> >>
> >> I haven't labed it but the scenario you describe does not seem
> >> different than the case where you have dual CEs at the same site but
> >> you want all traffic to enter the site from one specific CE, and we
> >> use as-path prepending on the backup CE to handle that.
> >> In your case, each CE should prepend the routes from the other CE
> >> towards its own PE.
> >>
> >> Then configure your CEs to prefer the routes through the MPLS backbone
> >> by setting local-preference inbound when routes are received from the
> >> PEs. At this stage, each CE will stop advertising the other CE's
> >> prefix towards the PE since it itself choose the path towards the PE
> >> as the Best Path.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 10:17 AM, Keller Giacomarro <[email protected]>
> >> wrote:
> >> > Right -- no pure BGP solution?
> >> >
> >> > Keller Giacomarro
> >> > [email protected]
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 3:16 AM, WFT <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> Two sites, same ASN, with backdoor (backup-only) link
> >> >> - ??
> >> >>
> >> >> >  use sham-links with ospf
> >> >> >  use bgp extended cost community with eigrp
> >> >>
> >> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >> >>
> >> >> On Oct 8, 2012, at 5:18 AM, Keller Giacomarro <[email protected]>
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> > Two sites, same ASN, with backdoor (backup-only) link
> >> >> > - ???
> >> >>
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