Below, I list some Muckrace areas affected by this plan.
Meanwhile, although the decision was made at the state level, I’m not sure
that “this isn’t a local issue” applies. The whole early deer hunt program is
regional at most, while DEC instead decided to have a bow season in some places
within or alongside the areas designated for the early special gun season on
deer.
On the DEC hunting info website it appears that out of the 92 DEC Wildlife
Management Units across NYS only 7 (according to a chart) or 9 (according to a
map and its key) have the special early gun season on deer. That’s far from
statewide. Most of these WMUs are in the Lake Ontario Plains, but carved out of
the middle of that group is an area for bow-hunting instead of gunning during
that period: WMU 8C, which includes the Towns of Greece (Braddock Bay Area) and
Irondequoit, as well as Rochester, and parts of the Towns of Penfield,
Brighton, and Pittsford will only have bow-hunting then. Downstate, two WMUs
covering most of Rockland and Orange counties will have the special early gun
season on deer, while 2 other WMUs covering Westchester and Suffolk Counties
will have an early bow season instead. Clearly DEC is able to take local
concerns and situations into account and have the less-dangerous-to-people bow
season instead of an early gun season in local parts of the two larger areas
where they want to kill deer at this time.
One of the ambiguous areas missing from DEC’s chart but marked on their
map is WMU 9A, at the western end of the part of NYS with the new special early
gun season for deer. It was either added to the map or subtracted from the
chart, or simply screwed up, but it may also reflect local treatment of some
sort.
The other ambiguous area missing from the chart but marked on the map is
WMU 8J, on the southeast corner of the new special early gun season for deer.
Again, was WMU 8J almost subtracted locally, or was it almost added locally, or
does this reflect some other bureaucratic problem? WMU 8J includes the northern
two thirds of Seneca County, the eastern third of Ontario County, and the
northeastern third of Yates County, plus southern parts of 6 towns in Wayne
County. Of particular relevance to the Muckrace, WMU 8J includes:
* the entire Town of Tyre. This is where most of Montezuma NWR is. It includes
Knox-Marsellus & Puddler, and the mucklands along & south of NYS-31 as well as
the southwest corner of the Muckrace birding area to Magee north of NYS-318 and
east of NYS-414.
* the south half of Town of Galen and the southwest corner of Town of Savannah.
This includes the private areas north of Armitage Road.
The northeast corner of the new special early gun season for deer is WMU
8F. It includes all of Wayne County (except the southern bits in WMU 8J) plus
the eastern 2 1/2 towns in Monroe County and parts of 6 towns in northwestern
Cayuga County. The parts of WMU 8F in the Muckrace include:
* the Town of Montezuma north of NYS-31. This includes DEC’s Helmer Marsh and
the larger adjacent area owned by a hunt club. I assume gun hunting will be
allowed in both.
* the Town of Mentz north of NYS-31 & west of NYS-38, i.e. north and west of
Port Byron. This includes the area around Maiden Lane Rd and the area around
Howland Island Road to the iron bridge.
* the Town of Conquest west of NYS-38. This includes Howland Island, managed by
DEC and explicitly open to gun hunting. It also includes areas to the north
around Spring Lake, Duck Lake, and Mud Pond.
* the Town of Victory west of NYS-38 will allow gun hunting, while the area
south of NYS-370 is within the Muckrace.
* the entire Town of Butler is within the gun hunting area, while most of
Butler is part of the Muckrace (Same with a southern sliver of Town of
Wolcott). I’m not sure where the DEC lands are, but I assume they will allow
gun hunting, and of course it will be legal on private lands.
* the entire Town of Rose is within the gun hunting area, although only the
portion east of NYS-414 and south of Salter Rd is in the Muckrace, with North
Rose being the northwest corner.
* the north part of the Town of Galen and the 3/4 of the Town of Savannah which
are not in WMU 8J are definitely in the gun-hunting zone because they are in
WMU 8F. There are lots of traditional Muckrace birding areas here, including
some public DEC lands such as Railroad Rd, Morgan Rd to Carncross Rd, and
Martens Tract, where I have to assume gun-hunting will be allowed, some areas
owned by other organizations such as The Nature Conservancy (between part of
Carncross & part of Martens) and the Montezuma Audubon Center, where along with
all private lands gun-hunting would be legal unless the landowner prohibits or
the distance to roads or houses is too close. Even land which is posted “no
hunting” to the public may have hunters on it who have permission.
That’s my understanding. Please correct me where I’m wrong, and inform us
of the hunting status of all lands managed by DEC & other organizations in the
Muckrace area.
I hope all goes well, and that birders find lots of birds and have a good
time. If there are no conflicts, scares, near misses, or people shot, that will
be good and welcome news. But it won’t mean that inviting people to shoot at
deer during late summer when the leaves are still on the trees is a smart idea.
I hope the DEC can be convinced - at least in future years - that holding fire
until most leaves have fallen and fewer people are outdoors actually makes
sense for safety. And if that basic bit of logic isn’t enough, we can lobby for
early bow season instead, at least in WMUs 8F & 8J.
Thanks for reading. I hope to see you all out birding in the future.
- - Dave Nutter
> On Sep 5, 2021, at 11:18 PM, Colleen Richards <cl...@juno.com> wrote:
>
> https://www.dec.ny.gov/outdoor/28605.html
>
>
> ---------- Original Message ----------
> From: Poppy Singer <poppysinger.ith...@gmail.com>
> To: John VanNiel <john.vann...@flcc.edu>
> Cc: CAYUGABIRDS-L <cayugabird...@list.cornell.edu>
> Subject: Re: [cayugabirds-l] Muckrace 2021 & early deer season
> Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2021 21:35:40 -0400
>
> John, I’d like to see the link, but don’t see it attached….?
>
>> On Sun, Sep 5, 2021 at 5:02 PM John VanNiel <john.vann...@flcc.edu> wrote:
>> Just for clarification, this change is being implemented over 13 Wildlife
>> Management Units (WMUs) not just on Howland's Island and the Refuge. WMUs do
>> not follow political boundaries so it is difficult to just explain exactly
>> where this hunting can now take place but it impacts the Muckrace because
>> most of Wayne County, Seneca County and some surrounding area are included.Â
>> This isn't a local issue as far as the NYS DEC goes.
>>
>> ​
>>
>> Here is a link to the DEC website if you are interested in knowing where
>> else you may find deer hunters from 9/11-9/19.
>>
>>
>> Birders may also be interested to know that big game hunters (deer and bear)
>> can now legally hunt from 30 minutes before sunrise to 30 minutes after
>> sunset. That is the same start time as waterfowl and spring Wild Turkey.
>>
>>
>> Dr. John Van Niel
>> Professor of Environmental Conservation
>> Director, East Hill Campus
>> Finger Lakes Community College
>> ________________________________
>> From: bounce-125889910-3493...@list.cornell.edu
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>> Sent: Sunday, September 5, 2021 3:54 PM
>> To: Gary Kohlenberg
>> Cc: Dave Nutter; gag...@twc.com; Steve Benedict; CAYUGABIRDS-L; Andrea
>> VanBeusichem b
>> Subject: Re: [cayugabirds-l] Muckrace 2021 & early deer season
>>
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>> The DEC is flat wrong to have tossed this on the schedule with the Muckrace
>> already planned. I sincerely hope they can be convinced it is a grave error
>> to proceed with the additional hunt. Were I planning to participate in the
>> Muckrace I would change that plan if the DEC doesn't yield on this.
>> I know, OOB opinion.
>>
>> On Sun, Sep 5, 2021, 12:30 PM Gary Kohlenberg
>> <jg...@cornell.edu<mailto:jg...@cornell.edu>> wrote:
>> I agree with this opinion and would add that rifles are now allowed for deer
>> in almost all counties in New York.
>>
>> An argument could be made that this will increase or decrease safety for
>> others, but it certainly changes the lethal range for misses to 1000+ yards.
>>
>> Gary
>>
>> On Sep 5, 2021, at 11:57 AM, Dave Nutter
>> <nutter.d...@me.com<mailto:nutter.d...@me.com>> wrote:
>>
>> 
>> Hi Kyle & Steve, (& all)
>>
>> Thanks for letting us know about the unprecedented early gun season on deer
>> which is planned to start during the Montezuma Muckrace in some of the best
>> birding areas. I have never heard of this conflict before, so it seems like
>> something new promoted by DEC. In my opinion it is a very bad idea.
>>
>> I avoid being on public lands where deer hunting is permitted on opening day
>> of gun season. The number of people with guns is not limited. They may be
>> unfamiliar with the area. They may be inexperienced. Their enthusiasm may
>> overwhelm their judgement. Deer will be particularly numerous, spooked, and
>> running that day, which may provoke more shots and less care. Slugs for
>> killing deer are also lethal to people, and unlike the less harmful fine
>> shot used to shoot ducks and geese, those slugs can travel travel hundreds
>> of yards. On public lands the shots are less likely to be from deer stands
>> aimed downward a short distance and more likely to be from people on foot
>> aimed more-or-less level and therefore traveling much farther.
>>
>> Howland Island seems like a particularly dangerous place. Sightlines along
>> winding trails are poor. The trail system is complex, and it’s hard to
>> know how far away the closest trail is in any direction. The terrain is
>> rolling, so shots fired somewhat upward are more likely, which would send
>> slugs farther. On Howland Island people are allowed to walk or bike the
>> trails any day. During the Muckrace there are typically dozens of additional
>> people birding on Howland Island, and driving is also allowed. Birders
>> trying to hear owls or night migrants are there during the night. Birders
>> may be there all night, or may arrive well before dawn and stay through the
>> early morning when many birds are most active. There will likely be plenty
>> of birders on the island and active at first light when eager hunters first
>> open fire. These birders’ presence may additionally make deer nervous and
>> apt to move. There will likely be plenty of birders on the island and active
>> at first light when eager hunters first open fire.
>>
>> The timing of this “special season†- in the first half of September
>> rather than the second half of November - means that trees will be fully
>> leafed out, making visibility minimal, such that people who are quietly
>> moving within gun range will not be able to see each other.
>>
>> In my opinion it was a dangerous decision by DEC to open a special early gun
>> season for deer on Howland Island when the trees are leafed out and at a
>> time when the public traditionally has been able to go out without fear of
>> lethal gunfire. It was particularly dangerous to promote this activity when
>> the DEC already knew that the Muckrace would be ongoing there when the
>> shooting started.
>>
>> Since this promotion of premature shooting seems to be a DEC project, I
>> thought at least the dikes around the Montezuma NWR’s Knox-Marsellus and
>> Puddler Marshes would be safely available to birders. I am very disappointed
>> that the Refuge is also welcoming people to fire guns there during the
>> single 24-hour period when birders are trying to hold a fundraiser for
>> conservation in the Montezuma Wetlands Complex.
>>
>> Can the DEC’s Howland Island, any other DEC lands in the Montezuma
>> Wetlands Complex, and the Refuge’s Knox-Marsellus & Puddler Marshes be
>> exempted from this special shooting season on the Saturday of the Muckrace?
>> Please share these concerns with decision-makers at DEC & the Refuge. Thanks.
>>
>> - - Dave Nutter
>>
>> On Sep 4, 2021, at 8:17 AM, gag...@twc.com<mailto:gag...@twc.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Muckrace Participants,
>>
>>
>> We’d like to make all Muckrace participants aware of an early gun season
>> for deer which will start on September 11th, during the Saturday portion of
>> the Muckrace. NYSDEC Wildlife Management Units in the Northern Complex fall
>> within the areas open for hunting as well as parts of the Montezuma NWR.
>> Hunt times will run from ½ hr before sunrise to ½ hr after sunset.
>>
>>
>> WMU’s will include any that are normally open to hunting during the
>> regular deer season, including Howland Island. Howland Island will be open
>> to birders however and Muckrace participants will be able to open the gate
>> to drive onto the island. Please close and lock the gate behind you after
>> entering/exiting.
>>
>> On refuge property, Knox/Marcellus Marsh and Puddlers Marsh will be open to
>> hunting as well as birders while the Esker Brook Trail, South Spring Pool
>> Trail, the Wildlife Drive and Seneca Trail will be closed to hunting but are
>> open for birding. Any areas other than Knox/Marcellus & Puddlers Marsh which
>> are normally off limits to the public remain that way.
>>
>>
>> Please be conscious of the fact that you will be sharing the space with
>> hunters during your Muckrace birding and the use of blaze orange
>> vests/hats/jackets is encouraged/recommended (new regulations require
>> hunters to wear blaze orange or pink). Signage has been posted alerting
>> hunters that there will be birders and other members of the public enjoying
>> our public lands that day as well.
>>
>>
>> This year the Muckrace date had been set before this new hunting season was
>> approved and implemented. In future years we will work to plan the date of
>> the Muckrace so as not to have this overlap. However, hunting seasons such
>> as small game have coincided with the Muckrace in past years so please
>> don’t let this new season discourage you from participating.
>>
>>
>> Thank you and we look forward to seeing you next Friday and Saturday for the
>> 24th annual Muckrace!
>>
>>
>> Kyle Gage
>>
>> (Acting) President FOTMWC
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