Hey, I helped too :) But I know what you mean. That's why I jumped on it and offered some help....ex-noob to noob...
-- Kevin Lloyd 3HN Designs http://www.3HNDesigns.com/ (214) 473-4207 On Jan 23, 2008 8:18 AM, Adam Royle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Well done Sam - this is how we should be responding to newbie > questions, rather than some of the "crap" that used to go on (not > pointing at anybody in particular). Maybe we should all take a page > out of your book and save this post so we can cut-and-paste it into > further seemingly-obvious questions on this list. > > Cheers, > Adam > > On Jan 23, 10:49 am, "Samuel DeVore" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Jan 22, 2008 5:07 PM, longint <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hmm, I don't disagree with your explanation but did everyone who > > > installed the latest cake get this? This is a common message? And if > > > so I don't see it in the manual (though it's not complete). > > > > If it is a clean install, I believe that they will get this message. > > So yes it's a common message. Why is it not in the manual... Here is > > my guess, in order to write the manual you have probably been using > > cake for so long that stuff like that just seems obvious. There is a > > lot about cake that after a while when you see a question one's first > > reaction, "Oh my goodness how could you not know this..." Which is > > unfair (I am as guilty of this as anyone), since you are new and don't > > have the conventions and expectations around how CakePHP reports stuff > > to you and how it tries to help... > > > > > > > > > I guess what I'm trying to get at is that (assuming) this is not the > > > expected result of an initial cake launch, why would it bark at me? > > > > Because it is trying to help you, it's just software and it really has > > no manners... :) What should you do, here is my suggestion. Go > tohttp://trac.cakephp.org/join and open a ticket on the documentation > > about this. Now that you understand what cake is saying to you, > > suggest changes to the documentation, because we may not know that it > > is a problem. Even a suggestion for the error message to make it > > clearer for you as a newbie. Remember that the developers are so far > > from the 'newbie experience' that they would probably appreciate > > suggestions on how to make the message clearer. But tickets in Trac > > are the way to make it known that you would like some more clarity to > > the manual or the error messages. > > > > Make sure you check out thehttp://tempdocs.cakephp.org/ the people > > writing it are trying to make it all clear and helpful, but if there > > are things missing in many cases they just don't notice and will not > > notice unless you help them see the problem. > > > > Hope that helps and thanks for helping make it all better > > > > Sam D > > > > > > > > > On Jan 22, 6:59pm, Baz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > :) > > > > > > I can't help but smile because I know what everyone else is > thinking: "Just > > > > read the error and follow the instructions". But, I also know what > you're > > > > thinking; you don't know what's going on. You just did a clean > install so > > > > you shouldn't be getting and "error". > > > > > > All things aren't obvious to everyone. This is just what I know; I > may be > > > > missing a huge chunk of the big picture, but here goes: > > > > -- > > (the old fart) the advice is free, the lack of crankiness will cost you > > > > - its a fine line between a real question and an idiot > > > > http://blog.samdevore.com/archives/2007/03/05/when-open-source-bugs-me/ > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Cake PHP" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
