Yeah I have the primaryKey Set on all the models that don't use just "id" 
 that's why I posted it here to see if anyone else had seen this behavior. 
 Its weird because its consistently the same records that will show blank 
players arrays or Team arrays.   So I just started writing custom queries 
with joins using $this->PlayersToSeasons->query() and the problem is gone. 
I know that will send some Framework nazi's into committing suicide but you 
do what you have to to make your app work. Till I can sort out why cake is 
hanging me out to dry lol

Eric Haskins
High Octane Brands LLC


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