In a perfect [browser] world. I would agree with you, but I have seen 
browsers do some crazy ace stuff, so I don't trust the "before the form is 
submitted" as the end all.   

My Question is why not check the id first? It is not a whole lot of 
overhead. I think in the name of data integrity, I always just want to make 
sure.

I worked on a piece of accounting software once. We had to read and write 
multiple entries for a single process. Once they all finished, then we 
check them all again. Stuff fails. So, it's better to check. Same with 
product inventory values... I always check after I write to make sure the 
totals match, or equal 0 rather. You take it from here, and put it there. 
The totals of each need to reflect the change. 

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