Damn, I'm the other way around.  I just got it set in libraries and had
been using the Joomla framework.  Now I want to expand outwards without
learning another language, and Cake was the natural choice.

I'm just used to design my pages, slip in some code, including a file
here and there, and letting it run on a server.  Now I have to break it
up, and the terminology is making me do it right.


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