I am not an Antenna Guru to say the least, but I have found one way to tune a coil from 20-40.  Haven’t tried this yet on 6-10-15-17. 

I have raised the base of the antenna by bolting it to a PVC, or other enertish tripod etc by 5-6 feet off the deck. Then I run 2 but even one works, quarter wavelength radials slanting down about 1 foot apart at the tip.   I set the coil to the manufactures recommended position for the coil for the band I am after.  

I then use RigExpert to check SWR.  I then adjust the length and the elevation of the radial, now technically not a radial but rather a counterpoise and part of the antenna, until it is on the mid point of the band. Time to tune. 

I will adjust the coil to fine tune it but stay as close as I can to manufacturers recommendation. 

I found the best is: 2 counterpoises are a little shorter than Quarter Wave length,  and attached as close to the ground as I can get them, sometime the best is of the wires actually slightly touching the ground. 

I don’t know if this is for others, but it works for me on my balcony I get very close to 1-1.0 at mid point.  And 1.3 at the edges.   40 is harder but it works.  Again I have not tried this with 6-10-15-17. I don’t use a tuner by the way. I will try one too soon. 

Hope it helps. 

Bob AI5QE 


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On Jun 18, 2024, at 4:20 PM, Andre Pollard via BVARC <bvarc@bvarc.org> wrote:


I need one of our antenna gurus to give me some input-

I have an 18'-4" telescoping antenna I have been using when camping. By adjusting length, I can get it to tune at <1.5 SWR on all bands 20M and above. So far so good, but when do we ever leave well enough alone.

I'm getting ready to travel for a while, and wanted to extend the range down to 40M. So I used the calculators at Coil-Shortened Vertical Antenna Calculator (66pacific.com) to determine the necessary coil. It said I need 4.9 mH. I made the coil per the calcs one the same site, using a 1.9 inch diameter PVC pipe. I'm running it bottom-loaded.

By tapping the coil a couple of turns down, I can get it to tune to 7.2 mhz, but the SWR is >6. If I put my hand very close to the coil , the frequency shifts (expected), and the SWR drops to 1.2. So I tried adjusting the length and tapping different turns, never better than 4 SWR on any frequency around 7 mhz. However, if I get my hand near the coil, SWR drops. 

Thinking this meant I needed capacitance, I tried a hat to the whip, with several different designs and sizes. Changes frequency, but horrible SWR still. 

Bypassing the coil I can adjust the whip and get great SWR on 14 mhz and above. So, I don't think it's a problem with the coax (20 feet of RG8X) or nanoVNA.

Google shows up all sorts of sites showing making a coil loaded shortened vertical like i'm trying. None mention the issue I'm seeing as a problem. 

I'd appreciate any input, I've been 'learning' on this for a couple of days now and haven't gotten it to work yet.

Thanks,
Andre
W4SFZ
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