Or just a HW-16
Mike N5VCX From: BVARC [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Rick Hiller via BVARC Sent: Friday, July 17, 2015 4:22 PM To: 'BRAZOS VALLEY AMATEUR RADIO CLUB' Cc: [email protected] Subject: Re: [BVARC] 2m and maritime in the same box? Wow….all of these numbers, specifications, ratings, part this and part that, are all so confusing and over whelming and make me pine for a more simplistic thread about a W3-land weather gopher……what was his name? Pittsburgh Pete? Or something like that……. J W5RH From: BVARC [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Mike Hardwick via BVARC Sent: Friday, July 17, 2015 3:57 PM To: 'BRAZOS VALLEY AMATEUR RADIO CLUB' <[email protected]> Cc: Mike Hardwick <[email protected]>; 'Bill Crowell' <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [BVARC] 2m and maritime in the same box? Actually there is one radio that is type certified/accepted/approved for both marine and business band usage (CFR 47 Part 80 marine and part 90). It is an ICOM IC-M88 and it has all the VHF-FM marine channels as well as the capability of programming up to 22 commercial channels/frequencies in it between 146 and 174 MHz. The 22 channels can be either narrowband or wideband and has the capability for CTCSS and DCS. Since Part 90 equipment is allowed in amateur service, then this radio does cover both marine and amateur services legally. However using it as an amateur radio would be limiting for several reasons; 1. It cannot be programmed from the front panel at all. You have to use software and a special cable for programming. 2. It is limited to 22 extra channels/frequency pairs. 3. It only covers the upper 2 MHz of the 2 meter band. No mods for the other 2 MHz. 4. It costs between $250 and $300 which is the cost of at least 7 Baofengs (is this the Baofeng factor?) In fact, you could buy a couple of Baofengs ($70) and a marine handheld ($80) and a marine base station ($100) for the cost of one M88 The best bet for a marine radio is a marine radio and a ham radio for amateur use. Use the right radio for the radio service. There are a couple of other radios that are type certified/accepted/approved for marine and business band which should cover amateur service but I do not think anybody would be interested in them. 1. Harris PRC-152 Wide-band 30-520 MHz, 762-870 MHz, AM, WFM, NFM, PSK, CPM, FSK, P25P1, DES encryption, ? $9999? 2. Harris Unity XG-100P quad-band handheld radio with blue tooth, GPS, 12,500 channel capacity, P25 digital format, DES encryption, etc. $5500 3. Motorola APX 7000 tri-band handheld radio with blue tooth, more or less the same as above $6995 4. Motorola APX 8000 quad-band handheld radio with blue tooth, again the same as above $7995 I’m sure everyone will run out and buy two or three of these handheld radios. Mike N5VCX From: BVARC [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jon Noxon via BVARC Sent: Friday, July 17, 2015 11:01 AM To: BRAZOS VALLEY AMATEUR RADIO CLUB Cc: Jon Noxon; Bill Crowell Subject: Re: [BVARC] 2m and maritime in the same box? A quick web search reveals marine band HT’s are available from both Icom and Yaesu. FCC “requirements” are here: http://wireless.fcc.gov/services/index.htm?job=licensing <http://wireless.fcc.gov/services/index.htm?job=licensing&id=ship_stations> &id=ship_stations Hope this helps. Sorry there is apparently no HT that transmits on both amateur and marine VHF bands. Many ham HT’s will receive the marine VHF frequencies. Jon/KF5TFJ On Jul 17, 2015, at 10:25 AM, Bill Crowell via BVARC <[email protected]> wrote: Hi Rob and the gang, The only radio services where the “out of band” or out of certification apply are the MARS and CAP frequencies immediately adjacent to the ham bands. Very special exceptions to the rules. When I was active in MARS and CAP, I had modified my TS-430S for “all frequency transmit” - one blocking diode. The diode for “transmit inhibit” was a requirement for certification under Part 97 for Kenwood. Having made this change made it technically possible to spin the dial to 27.185 and call “Breaker ONE NINE…”. That doesn’t mean that I actually did it or that I somehow had a CB radio :) Many radio services, other than ours, are channelized because the people using the radios are not radio operators. This is especially true for Maritime where even HF frequencies are channelized. I had to memorize some of the frequency charts to get my GMDSS license. Whether a Baofeng radio is a good choice for signal cleanliness to meet certification is an entirely different matter... 73 Bill On Jul 17, 2015, at 10:02 AM, McClure, Rob K <[email protected]> wrote: Hello Bill, Thanks for the reply. I knew it was a long shot and I think Icom ‘had’ to quit making that HT for the same reasons due to rule changes although I’m not sure. I did find where Yaesu did make one recently (now discontinued) using the VX-6 or VX-7 framework that did do Aviation and Ham band, but I could not find the Icom to which I referred. And as you said, I found none that did 2m ham and maritime. I was just hoping to encourage this guy to get his license and get him on the air as he has other friends besides myself that are hams and he thought if he could kill two birds with one stone, he would get to the training quicker. 73, Rob, KC5RET Rob McClure Cameron IT Staff Server Operations From: Bill Crowell [ <mailto:[email protected]> mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Friday, July 17, 2015 9:15 AM To: BRAZOS VALLEY AMATEUR RADIO CLUB Cc: McClure, Rob K Subject: Re: [BVARC] 2m and maritime in the same box? Rob, I don’t think such an animal exists because of differing certifications. Ham Radio gear must be certified under part 97 of FCC rules. Maritime is under part 80. Also, maritime VHF is channelized whereas we use frequencies. For example, every VHF marine radio must operate on channel 16 - bridge-to-bridge simplex. Though it may be possible to use a ham rig to operate on the same frequencies as marine, it may NOT be the only radio or the primary radio on the vessel or harbor station for reasons of both type certification and compliance with FCC rules and GMDSS regulations. When the Coast Guard pulls you over and looks, they want to see a certified radio and it operating on channel 16. <grin> 73. N4HPG Amateur Extra GROL 2nd Class Telegraph GMDSS operator/maintainer On Jul 17, 2015, at 8:58 AM, McClure, Rob K via BVARC < <mailto:[email protected]> [email protected]> wrote: Hello all, A coworker here at Cameron has expressed an interest in ham radio. I’m going to help out as much as I can, and point him in what I think is the right direction. He did have an interesting question. He assumed that my Yaesu FT-60 could communicate on the maritime band. I told him know, but I thought he might be able to monitor it them. I did a little checking and as I thought, the Maritime VHF band is higher than the ham band, but it didn’t say if it was AM, FM, SSB or digital. Which brings me to his question. He wanted to know if anyone makes a 2m/Maritime HT or mobile rig. I thought this might be possible since Icom used to make a 2m/Aviation HT for a while with an option I believe for a DF using what I think are called VOR. So does anyone know if any one makes or have made (so I might find it at a ham fest) a 2m/maritime HT or mobile size rig? 73 all, Rob, KC5RET Rob McClure Cameron IT Staff Server Operations ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ This email message is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information of Cameron and its Operating Divisions. 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