On Fri 11 Jan 2019 at 17:47, Allen Wittenauer <a...@effectivemachines.com.invalid> wrote:
> > > > On Jan 10, 2019, at 11:28 PM, Stephen Connolly < > stephen.alan.conno...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Fri 11 Jan 2019 at 06:28, Joan Touzet <woh...@apache.org> wrote: > >> > >> I'm willing to believe that Jenkins, the software, is incapable of > > > > > > I assume you meant capable rather than incapable. > > Nope, I agree with Joan: incapable is probably the correct word. > > I’ve lost track of how many issues I’ve hit just in the past week > of missing or broken features. [1] Sorry to hear you are being affected by that one. How new a Jenkins are you on? It’s very clear (esp with Blue Ocean and Pipelines) that Cloudbees is > trying very hard to push people into a very simplified model of CI. I disagree... but then I have an inside view. Anything complex either can’t be done or requires so much work that it > isn’t practical. [2] Jenkins has been moving everything out of core for quite some time now. There are some extremes that I disagree with Jesse on, eg the bullet spray of pipeline plugins. If I had been driving the pipeline development it would have been mostly one plugin... To agree with Jesse on JENKINS-27413 though. Makes more sense as a plugin. > > >> What about buildbot? Or another technology we could use with INFRA's > >> support? Last time I looked at buildbot, its integration with Docker > >> was very poor. > >> > >> I don't have any special attachment to Jenkins. > > IMO, this is probably something we as a community should look into > doing. We’re pushing Jenkins way harder that what it feels like it was > designed to do, given how many issues we hit on a regular basis and some of > the core limitations of the platform. > > > 1 - My current favorite being JENKINS-17116, which I’ve hit in both > freestyle and pipeline jobs to the point that I ended up writing pid > handling because I can’t trust Jenkins to actually signal processes > properly. > > 2 - JENKINS-27413… and Glick’s answer just re-affirms in my mind that > Jenkins is getting dumbed down: why push this off to a plugin? > > -- Sent from my phone
