Hi Jiangli,

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On 29/05/2025 3:27 am, Jiangli Zhou wrote:
This is unfortunately quite complex, and I have started a discussion with Alan if it is 
possible to update the JNI spec so that both static and dynamic entry points can have the form 
"JNI_OnLoad_<library-name>". Ideally, I'd like to see us push for this with as 
much effort as possible. If we got this in place, static builds would be much easier, and the 
changes required for Hermetic Java even smaller.

Thumbs up! That seems to be a good direction. Currently in the leyden
branch, it first looks up the unique
JNI_OnLoad<_lib_name>|Agent_OnLoad<_lib_name> etc for built-in
libraries, then search for the dynamic libraries using the
conventional naming when necessary. e.g.:

https://github.com/openjdk/leyden/commit/a5c886d2e85a0ff0c3712a5488ae61d8c9d7ba1a
https://github.com/openjdk/leyden/commit/1da8e3240e0bd27366d19f2e7dde386e46015135

When spec supports JNI_OnLoad_<library-name> and etc. for dynamic
libraries, we may still need to support the conventional naming
without the <_lib_name> part for existing libraries out there.

Resuming the conversation on using
JNI_OnLoad_L|JNI_OnUnload_L|Agent_OnLoad_L|Agent_OnUnLoad_L|Agent_OnAttach_L
for dynamically linked JNI & agent libraries. It is related to
JDK-8350450 [1]: Compile object files once for both static and dynamic
builds. We have recently enabled building & tier1 testing for
static-jdk with release binary in GHA on linux-x64. The debug build
however cannot be enabled in GHA due to space/resource limit (please
see more details in JDK-8350450). So it's a good time to pick up
JDK-8350450 related work. Based on discussions with Magnus in
JDK-8350450 bug comments and separate emails from last year, I'll
extract the runtime changes from the leyden/hermetic-java-runtime
branch [2] for supporting JNI_OnLoad_L (and etc) for dynamically
linked JNI/agent libraries. The work has been broadly tested in our
internal prototype on JDK 11 and newer versions (linux-x64).

Regarding the spec part, Ron, Alan, Magnus and myself had several
discussions last year during hermetic Java meetings. The general
understanding was that using JNI_OnLoad_L (and etc) for dynamically
linked JDK native libraries requires no JNI/JVMTI spec change. I
wonder if the following languages should be relaxed a bit to address
potential questions. Any thoughts?

I don't know exactly what was discussed, but I don't see how you can not update the JNI (and other) specifications to do what you want to do, if that involves invoking JNI_OnLoad_L in the dynamic case instead of JNI_OnLoad. ??

David
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 From JNI spec [3]:

- JNI_OnLoad/JNI_OnUnload
   Optional function defined by dynamically linked libraries.

   LINKAGE:
   Exported from dynamically linked native libraries that contain
native method implementations.

- JNI_OnLoad_L
   Mandatory function that must be defined by statically linked libraries .

   LINKAGE:
   Exported from statically linked native libraries that contain native
method implementations.

- JNI_OnUnload_L
   Optional function defined by statically linked libraries.

 From JVMTI spec [4]:

An agent L whose image has been combined with the VM is defined as
statically linked if and only if the agent exports a function called
Agent_OnLoad_L.

[1]: https://bugs.openjdk.org/browse/JDK-8350450
[2]: https://github.com/openjdk/leyden/tree/hermetic-java-runtime
[3]: https://docs.oracle.com/en/java/javase/21/docs/specs/jni/
[4]: https://docs.oracle.com/en/java/javase/24/docs/specs/jvmti.html

Best,
Jiangli



And finally, on top of all of this, is the question of widening the platform support. To 
support linux/gcc with objcopy is trivial, but the question about Windows still remain. I 
have two possible ways forward, one is to check if there is alternative tooling to use 
(the prime candidate is the clang-ldd), and the other is to try to "fake" a 
partial linking by concatenating all source code before compiling. This is not ideal, 
though, for many reasons, and I am not keen on implementing it, not even for testing. And 
at this point, I have not had time to investigate any of these options much further, 
since I have been focusing on 1) above.

A third option is of course to just say that due to toolchain limitations, 
static linking is not available on Windows.

Thank you for taking this on! Potentially we could consider taking the
objcopy to localizing hotspot symbols on unix-like platforms, based on
https://github.com/openjdk/jdk/pull/17456 discussions. Additional
testing is still needed to verify the solution.


My recommendation is that you keep on working to resolve the (much more thorny) 
issues of resource access in Hermetic Java in your branch, where you have a 
prototype static build that works for you. In the meantime, I will make sure 
that there will be a functioning, stable and robust way of creating static 
builds in the mainline, that can be regularly tested and not bit-rot, like the 
static build hacks that has gone in before.

Most of the JDK resources are now supported as hermetic jimage
(lib/modules) bundled in the
https://github.com/openjdk/leyden/tree/hermetic-java-runtime branch.
The remaining sound.properties, ct.sym and .jfc files can be handled
later. Overally, that part of the work has confirmed the hermetic
jimage bundled solution is robust and helps resolve some of the
difficult start-up sequence issues observed when the hermetic resource
was implemented using JAR file based solution.

It might be a good idea to follow up on the static linking discussion
in tomorrow's zoom meeting (hope you'll be able to join tomorrow).

Thanks!

Jiangli

/Magnus



Thanks!
Jiangli

On Thu, Feb 15, 2024 at 12:01 PM Jiangli Zhou <jiangliz...@google.com> wrote:

On Wed, Feb 14, 2024 at 5:07 PM Jiangli Zhou <jiangliz...@google.com> wrote:

Hi Magnus,

Thanks for looking into this from the build perspective.

On Wed, Feb 14, 2024 at 1:00 AM Magnus Ihse Bursie
<magnus.ihse.bur...@oracle.com> wrote:

First some background for build-dev: I have spent some time looking at
the build implications of the Hermetic Java effort, which is part of
Project Leyden. A high-level overview is available here:
https://cr.openjdk.org/~jiangli/hermetic_java.pdf and the current source
code is here: https://github.com/openjdk/leyden/tree/hermetic-java-runtime.

Some additional hermetic Java related references that are also useful:

- https://bugs.openjdk.org/browse/JDK-8303796 is an umbrella bug that
links to the issues for resolving static linking issues so far
- https://github.com/openjdk/jdk21/pull/26 is the enhancement for
building the complete set of static libraries in JDK/VM, particularly
including libjvm.a


Hermetic Java faces several challenges, but the part that is relevant
for the build system is the ability to create static libraries. We've
had this functionality (in three different ways...) for some time, but
it is rather badly implemented.

As a result of my investigations, I have a bunch of questions. :-) I
have gotten some answers in private discussion, but for the sake of
transparency I will repeat them here, to foster an open dialogue.

1. Am I correct in understanding that the ultimate goal of this exercise
is to be able to have jmods which include static libraries (*.a) of the
native code which the module uses, and that the user can then run a
special jlink command to have this linked into a single executable
binary (which also bundles the *.class files and any additional
resources needed)?

2. If so, is the idea to create special kinds of static jmods, like
java.base-static.jmod, that contains *.a files instead of lib*.so files?
Or is the idea that the normal jmod should contain both?

3. Linking .o and .a files into an executable is a formidable task. Is
the intention to have jlink call a system-provided ld, or to bundle ld
with jlink, or to reimplement this functionality in Java?

I have a similar view as Alan responded in your other email thread.
Things are still in the early stage for the general solution.

In the https://github.com/openjdk/leyden/tree/hermetic-java-runtime
branch, when configuring JDK with --with-static-java=yes, the JDK
binary contains the following extra artifacts:

- static-libs/*.a: The complete set of JDK/VM static libraries
- jdk/bin/javastatic: A demo Java launcher fully statically linked
with the selected JDK .a libraries (e.g. it currently statically link
with the headless) and libjvm.a. It's the standard Java launcher
without additional work for hermetic Java.

In our prototype for hermetic Java, we build the hermetic executable
image (a single image) from the following input (see description on
singlejar packaging tool in
https://cr.openjdk.org/~jiangli/hermetic_java.pdf):

- A customized launcher (with additional work for hermetic) executable
fully statically linked with JDK/VM static libraries (.a files),
application natives and dependencies (e.g. in .a static libraries)
- JDK lib/modules, JDK resource files
- Application classes and resource files

Including a JDK library .a into the corresponding .jmod would require
extracting the .a for linking with the executable. In some systems
that may cause memory overhead due to the extracted copy of the .a
files. I think we should consider the memory overhead issue.

One possibility (as Alan described in his response) is for jlink to
invoke the ld on the build system. jlink could pass the needed JDK
static libraries and libjvm.a (provided as part of the JDK binary) to
ld based on the modules required for the application.


I gave a bit more thoughts on this one. For jlink to trigger ld, it
would need to know the complete linker options and inputs. Those
include options and inputs related to the application part as well. In
some usages, it might be easier to handle native linking separately
and pass the linker output, the executable to jlink directly. Maybe we
could consider supporting different modes for various usages
requirements, from static libraries and native linking point of view:

Mode #1
Support .jmod packaged natives static libraries, for both JDK/VM .a
and application natives and dependencies. If the inputs to jlink
include .jmods, jlink can extract the .a libraries and pass the
information to ld to link the executable.

Mode #2
Support separate .a as jlink input. Jlink could pass the path
information to the .a libraries and other linker options to ld to
create the executable.

For both mode #1 and #2, jlink would then use the linker output
executable to create the final hermetic image.

Mode #3
Support a fully linked executable as a jlink input. When a linked
executable is given to jlink, it can process it directly with other
JDK data/files to create the final image, without native linking step.

Any other thoughts and considerations?

Best,
Jiangli


4. Is the intention is to allow users to create their own jmods with
static libraries, and have these linked in as well? This seems to be the
case.

An alternative with less memory overhead could be using application
modular JAR and separate .a as the input for jlink.

If that is so, then there will always be the risk for name
collisions, and we can only minimize the risk by making sure any global
names are as unique as possible.

Part of the current effort includes resolving the discovered symbol
collision issues with static linking. Will respond to your other email
on the symbol issue separately later.


5. The original implementation of static builds in the JDK, created for
the Mobile project, used a configure flag, --enable-static-builds, to
change the entire behavior of the build system to only produce *.a files
instead of lib*.so. In contrast, the current system is using a special
target instead.

I think we would need both configure flag and special target for the
static builds.

In my eyes, this is a much worse solution. Apart from
the conceptual principle (if the build should generate static or dynamic
libraries is definitely a property of what a "configuration" means),
this makes it much harder to implement efficiently, since we cannot make
changes in NativeCompilation.gmk, where they are needed.

For the potential objcopy work to resolve symbol issues, we can add
that conditionally in NativeCompilation.gmk if STATIC_LIBS is true. We
have an internal prototype (not included in
https://github.com/openjdk/leyden/tree/hermetic-java-runtime yet) done
by one of colleagues for localizing symbols in libfreetype using
objcopy.


That was not as much a question as a statement. 🙂 But here is the
question: Do you think it would be reasonable to restore the old
behavior but with the new methods, so that we don't use special targets,
but instead tells configure to generate static libraries? I'm thinking
we should have a flag like "--with-library-type=" that can have values
"dynamic" (which is default), "static" or "both".

If we want to also build a fully statically linked launcher, maybe
--with-static-java? Being able to configure either dynamic, static or
both as you suggested also seems to be a good idea.

I am not sure if "both" are needed, but if we want to bundle both lib*.so and 
*.a files
into a single jmod file (see question 2 above), then it definitely is.
In general, the cost of producing two kinds of libraries are quite
small, compared to the cost of compiling the source code to object files.

Completely agree. It would be good to avoid recompiling the .o file
for static and dynamic builds. As proposed in
https://bugs.openjdk.org/browse/JDK-8303796:

It's beneficial to be able to build both .so and .a from the same set
of .o files. That would involve some changes to handle the dynamic JDK
and static JDK difference at runtime, instead of relying on the
STATIC_BUILD macro.


Finally, I have looked at how to manipulate symbol visibility. There
seems many ways forward, so I feel confident that we can find a good
solution.

One way forward is to use objcopy to manipulate symbol status
(global/local). There is an option --localize-symbol in objcopy, that
has been available in objcopy since at least 2.15, which was released
2004, so it should be safe to use. But ideally we should avoid using
objcopy and do this as part of the linking process. This should be
possible to do, given that we make changes in NativeCompilation.gmk --
see question 5 above.

As a fallback, it is also possible to rename symbols, either piecewise
or wholesale, using objcopy. There are many ways to do this, using
--prefix-symbols, --redefine-sym or --redefine-syms (note the -s, this
takes a file with a list of symbols). Thus we can always introduce a
"post factum namespace" by renaming symbols.

Renaming or redefining the symbol at build time could cause confusions
with debugging. That's a concern raised in
https://github.com/openjdk/jdk/pull/17456 discussions.

Additionally, redefining symbols using tools like objcopy may not
handle member names referenced in string literals. For example, in
https://github.com/openjdk/jdk/pull/17456 additional changes are
needed in assembling and SA to reflect the symbol change.


So in the end, I think it will be fully possible to produce .a files
that only has global symbols for the functions that are part of the API
exposed by that library, and have all other symbols local, and make this
is in a way that is consistent with the rest of the build system.

Finally, a note on Hotspot. Due to debugging reasons, we export
basically all symbols in hotspot as global. This is not reasonable to do
for a static build. The effect of not exporting those symbols will be
that SA will not function to 100%. On the other hand, I have no idea if
SA works at all with a static build. Have you tested this? Is this part
of the plan to support, or will it be officially dropped for Hermetic Java?

We have done some testing with jtreg SA related tests for the fully
statically linked `javastatic`.

If we use objcopy to localize symbols in hotspot, it's not yet clear
what's the impact on SA. We could do some tests. The other question
that I raised is the supported gcc versions (for partial linking)
related to the solution.

Best,
Jiangli


/Magnus


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