On Mon, 2012-09-17 at 13:47 +0200, Richard Braun wrote: > On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 12:48:14PM +0200, Svante Signell wrote:
> > > > > You've spent more than a year working on this system, and you > > > > > still don't get the big picture of it, > > > > Maybe because the _reference_ manuals don't give the big picture, and > > reading every detail of a function call, and all its variants makes you > > fall asleep. Such information is very valuable but not as a learning > > tool. Did you ever attend a class where the only course literature was a > > reference manual, and no teachers/assistants to ask questions? I doubt > > it. > > The wiki isn't a reference manual. No but the gnumach and Hurd ones are. > > As I replied to Samuel, I'm not too fond of browsing web pages to find > > information scattered in many places, not as an introduction to Hurd. > > Where is the complete (tutorial) pdf to download and print out? > > Idiot. Now you called me names again. Learn to use decent language! > > Now you have done it again, calling me names. Grow up! > > I am a teacher and don't _ever_ call them stupid even if i think so in > > some cases. It's all about respect to other people. And I'm not lazy, > > forget that. > > I expected you to be a teacher, and i'm sorry for your students. Calling > you names is a conscious way to express the degree of exasperation I'm > feeling about you, not a childish reaction. See above, and you are a recently graduated master student I assume. Not many years of life experience yet. > > Yes, if the rpc.mdwn was written and pointed early to the web page > > things would be much more understandable. And this: > > > > user_code <-> libc(client) <-> gnumach(mailman) <-> hurd(server) > > > > gives me _much_ more than lengthy descriptions on details on the > > gnumach/hurd functions. And there does not seem to exist any description > > of the gnumach/Hurd parts of eglibc, right? I haven't found any. > > Again, if you had read *anything* a bit serious about operating systems > such as the Wikipedia page (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operating_system), > you would have found a similar "graphical" diagram (like > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Operating_system_placement.svg). You > would have learnt that the C library is linked to (almost) every program > running on an operating system. And again, I'll use Wikipedia to > demonstrate how easy it is to have a global view of a microkernel based > system: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microkernel. > > Just do your homework first. More links, thank you. I was hoping the hurd pages would be enough, but obviously they are not. I offered to write something down and Samuel is interested, but not you as it seems. What a pity. > > See my reply to Samuel. I volunteer to write something down if there is > > interest. > > You'll just do it the same way you write patches: you'll write crap, > asking others to review, many times, until it's actually right, and if > people are too annoyed to answer you, you'll blame them for not doing > anything to help, at which point you'll give up. The number of iterations are not many nowadays. Now you are unfair. And I haven't been giving up. Give some examples! > > I'm rather fluent by now, most patches sent for review are granted by > > either Samuel or Guillem. You don't seem to be a very frequent reviewer, > > however. > > They're faster to reply than I am. I wouldn't know the many mistakes you > cause if I didn't review them. Why don't you give feedback then? You can even do that on IRC. > > I know that you are one of the few people doing _real_ development on > > gnumach and Hurd, that is really appreciated. Please don't make this > > discussion into a pie-throwing war. There are too few Hurd users and > > developers for that. > > Again, I hoped to keep it all between ourselves instead of making it > public. That's your choice. Please don't answer this with additional > nonsense just to have the last word. I had to reply, because you are calling me names *AGAIN*, and that is rude. Stop that!
