Hello,

On 21.02.25 11:52, Ludovic Courtès wrote:
Hello,

Dariqq <dar...@posteo.net> skribis:

The two services that I know of are thermald and virtlogd.

I found these:

--8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8--- scheme@(guix scripts system search)> ,pp (map shepherd-service- provision (append-map (lambda (services) (remove (lambda (service) (memq 'user-processes (shepherd-service-requirement service))) services)) (map service-type-default-shepherd-services (fold- service- types cons '()))))


Some of them are legitimate, many are not.  (Not sure why ‘virtlogd’
doesn’t show up here.)


Neat trick. A lot more than I thought.

Also the purpose of the user-processes service (and maybe also the
filesystems) service as synchronization targets are documented only in their definition and implicitly with the shepherd graph image. System-shepherd services that dont depend on anything are probably a bad idea and seems like a very common mistake for (new)
users implementing their own services. Maybe this should be a a
more explicit note in the documentation for shepherd-service- requirement and/or a small paragraph in the shepherd services intro?

Yes, agreed. I’m not entirely sure where to document it; do you have ideas?


Maybe near the shepherd-graph image in "Shepherd Services" where the
special "targets" can be seen as well (the image looks a bit outdated as
e.g.the filesystem "target" is missing)? Not sure if there is another
 "target" worth documenting.

Also maybe a comment or warning in the documentation for shepherd-
service-requirement field that root-shepherd services that don't depend
on anything/ don't depend on user-processes is most likely not what a
user wants for a usual daemon service?

Consistency in all guix services helps as well,s.t. one can look at an
example and then wonder what this user-processes service is about.

(The doc in this area probably needs a Spring cleanup…)


Thanks, Ludo’.




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