Hi Maxim, On ven., 24 févr. 2023 at 08:21, Maxim Cournoyer <maxim.courno...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Well, I am not convinced that enforce the ordering is a good thing >> because as Ludo said, some HPC user exploits this control of ordering to >> generate complex transformations. > > Could we gather more information about that use case? It needs to be > clear if we are to constrain the design (solution) by it. Well, I do not have the details. Just to mention two presentations [1,2] exposing how transformations help for them. 1: <https://10years.guix.gnu.org/static/slides/07-swartvagher.pdf> 2: <https://hpc.guix.info/static/doc/atelier-reproductibilit%C3%A9-2021/marek-fel%C5%A1%C3%B6ci-org-guix.pdf> There they intensively uses transformations. For instance, p.4 of [2] it reads, guix environment --pure --with-input=pastix-5=pastix-5-mkl \ --with-input=mumps-scotch-openmpi=mumps-mkl-scotch-openmpi \ --with-input=openblas=mkl --with-git-url=gcvb=$HOME/src/gcvb \ --with-commit=gcvb=40d88ba241db4c71ac3e1fe8024fba4d906f45b1 \ --preserve=^SLURM --ad-hoc bash coreutils inetutils findutils \ grep sed bc openssh python python-psutil gcvb scab slurm@19 openmpi For this specific example, the order may or not matter. The point is that HPC folks are intensively using transformations and, since the order currently matters, enforcing one specific order could break their workflow, and even could make impossible what is currently possible. Quoting Ludo, (this is crucial for our HPC users, who routinely combine a whole bunch of options; you have no idea how far they go once you give them the tool :-)) <https://issues.guix.gnu.org/msgid/871qmg79u7....@gnu.org> and I agree with « you have no idea how far they go once you give them the tool :-)) ». For what my opinion is worth. :-) Cheers, simon
