Yes, good point. I will drop this. :-)

Regards,
Elias


On 10 July 2014 18:04, Juergen Sauermann <juergen.sauerm...@t-online.de>
wrote:

> Hi,
>
> as to opinions, I believe I don't like that either.
>
> Please remember that we have user-defined commands now, so you can easily
> create your own commands that do things in the way you prefer.
>
> /// Jürgen
>
>
>
> On 07/10/2014 03:43 AM, David B. Lamkins wrote:
>
>> Personally, I'm not a fan of having tools codify what's essential a
>> stylistic convention.
>>
>> Looking at it another way: This is something I call the "principle of
>> least surprise... An experienced APL programmer shouldn't have to be
>> told that )FNS, )OPS and )VARS all have a hidden feature that must be
>> explicitly disabled to obtain the expected (and standard) behavior.
>>
>> That said: This is something that's easy to do in APL without changing
>> the underlying platform.  Here are a couple of functions that you could
>> use as a starting point:
>>
>> ∇z←⍙class ni ⍙set
>>    ⍝ Return a character array of every workspace name which includes
>>    ⍝ all characters in ⍙set. The empty set matches everything. The
>>    ⍝ optional ⍙class argument selects results by name class; the
>>    ⍝ default is 2 3 4 (variables, functions and operators).
>>    ⍎(0=⎕nc '⍙class')/'⍙class←2 3 4'
>>    z←⊃{ (∧/⊃(⊂,⍙set)∊¨⍵)/⍵ }{ (∧\' '≠⍵)/⍵ }¨⊂[(1+⎕io)]⎕nl ⍙class
>> ∇
>>
>> ∇z←⍙class ne ⍙set
>>    ⍝ Return a character array of every workspace name which excludes
>>    ⍝ any character in ⍙set. The empty set excludes nothing. The
>>    ⍝ optional ⍙class argument selects results by name class; the
>>    ⍝ default is 2 3 4 (variables, functions and operators).
>>    ⍎(0=⎕nc '⍙class')/'⍙class←2 3 4'
>>    z←⊃{ (~∨/⊃(⊂,⍙set)∊¨⍵)/⍵ }{ (∧\' '≠⍵)/⍵ }¨⊂[(1+⎕io)]⎕nl ⍙class
>> ∇
>>
>> If you want to list all names not containing ⍙, do this:
>>
>>        ne '⍙'
>>
>> To get just the variables:
>>
>>        2 ne '⍙'
>>
>> Or just the functions:
>>
>>        3 ne '⍙'
>>
>> Or just the operators:
>>
>>        4 ne '⍙'
>>
>> The ni function is complementary.
>>
>> Add a ]usercmd definition or three to customize this to your taste...
>>
>> On Wed, 2014-07-09 at 23:12 +0800, Elias Mårtenson wrote:
>>
>>> How about having the )FNS, )OPS and )VARS commands filter out names
>>> that contain a ⍙ symbol by default? Since the idea is that those are
>>> internal names it would make sense to hide them (unless some other
>>> flag is given).
>>>
>>>
>>> Opinions?
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Elias
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>

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