Andrew C wrote 9-4-08 >Yes, but where does the ability to do so come from? I'd >argue that only >Humans and a few other animals have the >ability to comprehend altruistic >ideals - and here we >touch on self-awareness: Understanding of the self as an >>individual is key to accepting others as individuals and >enables true >altruistic actions. (And yes, I am saying >that very young children will only >behave in a selfish >way). > > > >> And if it's like mathematics it raises the question would aliens > >> Develop the same ethics as us? > > > > At least part of our ethics comes from our perceptive organs and our > > social and biological interaction mechanics. I think it's fair to > > assume that aliens would differ in these at least slightly and the > > ethical systems may vary. > > I was thinking that despite the differences in the underlying > mechanisms our hypothetical aliens might begin to reach similar > conclusions once they applied more advanced thinking to the subject. Why? What is inherent in higher level ethics which doesn't depend on our perceptions of the world around us? What are the odds of it being like mathematics or not like mathematics? 50% given the measure of the tautology based in the logic of yes/no Say it is something more than mathematic logic, which drives the ability to comprehend altruistic ideals which drive human awareness Say it is innate potentials with development and growth curves Say that the innate potentials are hard wired but mixed based upon The helix or energy contained in the structure of the human genes Say the innate potentials are constantly seeking some evaluated formula Some rational to measure its measure of reason and only ideas serve the Conscience but attachment to these ideals leads to domestication i.e. Draw in the creature like the process of domesticating the wild animal The constant luring with food or any other act which the wild attach pleasure Or completion serve to bring basic drives of the innate potentials into Harmony with the environment---thus cause the engine to afford a new motion Say that ethics or any other thesis is only the written records of man’s Beliefs or directions recording the new motions which men tribes followed Willing acceptance of himself i.e. the ideas of others of himself Then you have simply a truth as revealed of him as he wishes other To see him an willingly become the domesticate of the visual commune seeker This become the more than mathematical evaluation of 50% beast and 50% human with reason as a purely mathematical system would yield Such a human machine would provide something more than an alien who is hard wired to a binary computer or some tautology based in yes / no Ethics is then termed more than good and bad; right and wrong; ect. It may be akin to those ideas, which seek itself in others and find peace knowing Of the shared existence which begins with the human’s first pull on this mothers Breast this is beyond the binary codes and bars on the spectrometer which that same Mind repels as alien communication across the galaxies. -------------- Original message from "Andrew Crystall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: --------------
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