On Aug 31, 2008, at 8:47 PM, William T Goodall wrote:

> So does celibacy. So not breeding as fruitfully as possible is
> murdering children?


I think that would be a fairly extreme interpretation.

However .. there's a lot to be said against the logic of unilaterally  
equating terminating a pregnancy with murder, especially during the  
part of gestation when the zygote or fetus cannot possibly be expected  
to be viable outside the uterus.  The fertilized egg looking around  
for a place to implant* may be a "potential life", but it has no  
viability outside the environment that supports its development until  
it has divided, differentiated, and matured to the point where it  
would be viable as a premature infant .. and even then survival is  
questionable and involves fairly heroic life support and monitoring in  
a NICU incubator for weeks at least.

Viability seems to me to be the best measure of the dividing line  
between "potential human life" and "actual human life", and to me, a  
pregnancy that has not actually reached the stage where the fetus is  
viable as an infant (the grey area being the span between earliest  
possible viability with heroic life support and the boundary between  
"premature" and "normal" term) should be legally terminable if the  
mother chooses to do so.  (Many states' existing laws on abortion  
follow roughly this rule, incidentally, and most ban or severely  
restrict third-trimester abortions, which I'm comfortable with .. it's  
not like 6 months is any kind of an unreasonable deadline for the  
decision.)  And, IMHO, that should *only* be the mother's decision,  
and I feel it's reasonable to expect factors like her own personal  
health (physical and mental), and the number of children she already  
has, to weigh into that decision.  There are very serious issues of  
manipulative social control in this debate that aren't often discussed  
(and, when they are, are often dismissed as "anti-religious  
propaganda"), but are critical to the debate, and I feel that placing  
that choice in the hands of the person most impacted by carrying a  
pregnancy to term, *especially now as we're approaching the 7 billion  
mark*, best addresses those issues.

(*Speaking of implantation, treating fertilization as the standard of  
the beginning of life would legally define treating ectopic  
pregnancies as "abortion".  Fertilized eggs don't always implant in  
the uterus, and when they implant somewhere else, the consequences can  
be fairly serious for obvious reasons.  It's theoretically possible  
for an ectopic pregnancy to carry to term, but it would be very  
dangerous to attempt, and I wouldn't dare suggest forcing a woman to  
do that.  But this is the kind of insanity that we get into if we  
accept the notion of an egg that's just been fertilized as a "baby"  
that would be "murdered" if it wasn't allowed to implant wherever it  
landed.)

"Grotesque oppression isn't okay just because it's been  
institutionalized." -- Toby Ziegler


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