Jon wrote: > > > it is a numbers game, doug, and as long as it continues the planet will > suffer. it is not realistic to suggest that enlightened people will save the > planet by breeding. people who are able to enjoy the fruits of their wealth > are not about to invest in breeding units of labor when it is not necessary, > unless they are doing it to spread their dogma.
So if its a numbers game, how do you "win" by not having children? > > the argument you should be forwarding is that affluent societies stop > consuming so much and put more revenues into an "enlightened' educational > system and a global social agenda that would eliminate wars over resources. I agree with that argument. But if I don't have kids and get them to believe what I believe, who the f__k is going to believe when I pass? Do you think you and I are going to change everyone else's mind in the next few years? > > there has always been a gap between the haves and have nots with those at > the bottom providing the labor and resources for those at the top. if they > were really so enlightened they would prohibit the very greed that enables > them to provide for more spoiled brats and share the wealth with the > oppressed workers of the world, so they would not have to breed more > children in order to survive. > If you look at the pre-bush history of the US I'm pretty sure you'll find a trend towards more haves and fewer have-nots. And you'll find that we were the envy of the world in many respects; that people wanted to come here or, that they wanted to emulate our society. That we use far more than our share of the world's resources is a problem, but the fact that we were one of several nations that were aware of the environmental problems that we're facing was a positive. Unfortunately, because of poor leadership, we've lost our way. But I digress. My real point is that I can only do so much in my lifetime, but I can help to shape the future by raising good kids and by helping them to raise good kids. Refusing to do so as some sort of righteous statement is ultimately self-defeating. Doug _______________________________________________ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
