On Dec 4, 2007 8:33 PM, Charlie Bell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>
>
> Nah-ah. Just a fact. No-one knows everything in a field, and lay-
> people often think they have a far better grasp of a technical field
> than they do.


Sure.  But you don't know what I have or haven't studied about evolution and
Darwinism, so there was no basis for you to evaluate what I said.  The fact
that I know how complexity relates to it might have suggested that I have a
more than passing acquaintance... eh?

>
> >  One doesn't have to be an expert in evolutionary biology to
> > understand the state of knowledge.  I'm not an expert software
> > engineer, but
> > I have a pretty good idea of what is possible and what isn't.
>
> Really? I *am* a biologist, and I wouldn't claim to have a grasp on
> the state-of-the-art. What I meant was, it depends greatly on your
> sources, and what you're reading.


You don't know which major questions have been answered and which haven't?
You don't have a good overview of the strengths and weaknesses of the
generally accepted theories?  That's the sort of knowledge I'm talking about
when I say that you don't have to be an expert to have a good idea of what
is possible and what isn't.


> In any system with finite resources,
> there will be competition.


You are correct of course.  But you are correct in the way that television
network explain their programming -- "We only show what people want."
Trouble is, it's not *all* they want.  The fact that you can find
competition happening doesn't mean other things aren't going on.

>
>
>   But calling phenomena
> > "emergent" may be saying little more than "this doesn't come about
> > by any
> > mechanism we can understand other than the way the universe operates."
>
> It's defined well enough as "complex-appearing behaviours or
> attributes which arise from a few simple rules or characteristics".
>
> But that explains EVERYTHING, so it is trivial.

Nick
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