On 5/5/2007 6:41:18 PM, Andrew Crystall ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) 
wrote:
> On 5 May 2007 at 13:20, Robert Seeberger wrote:
>
> > My personal opinion is that we should not be encouraging the 
> > burning
> > of fuels at all (WRT automobiles). We should be encouraging 
> > electric
> > powered vehicles. Certainly, there is an issue with range that has 
> > not
>
> That's not really a help. The power comes from mostly fossil-fuel
> burning power stations,

It doesn't have to. Here in Texas, we lead the US in wind power 
production and we do have nukes.....nukes that are being expanded as 
we speak. If you want to get away from fossil fuels and oil cartel 
influence, then automobiles are a good place to start. (Even though 
they account for only 10% of carbon emissions.)


>and the car performance really suffers.

Where do you get that idea? In every aspect but range, electrics offer 
superior performance. And range is on it's way to being conquered.


> Hydrogen-leeching fuel cells now, that extract hydrogen from petrol
> (and can thus use the existing infrastructure), to get roughly twice
> the efficientcy...THAT is a tech to push development of IMO.
>
The problem with fuel cells is that they are expensive, glitchy, and 
certain to be problematic for your average end user. I like fuel 
cells, but I see a lot of high hurdles for them to overcome. 
Impurities in fuels can ruin them. You have to deal with the process 
leftovers (What do you do with the leftover carbon from your daily 
commute?).
The worst thing about the kind of fuel cells you are promoting is that 
they are only a little better than ICengines and you are still 
importing oil.

To be fair, the situation here is somewhat different that the 
situation in Britain. If we were to go all electric magically 
overnight, we could generate electricity with natural gas for a number 
of years without importing much at all. I don't think the UK is in 
such a fortunate position (but I would be glad to know I am wrong in 
that).

One thing I have noted. the big auto makers are dragging their feet 
when it comes to alternatively powered vehicles, trying to shoehorn 
gasoline or diesel into the vehicles at any cost. A bit of googleing 
will show that there *are* alternatives that work, but don't get much 
notice.


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