--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], "Nick Arnett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I find your reaction to be astonishing.  Indeed, I suspect it is
> > at the heart of our inability to communicate.  The quote you
> > have cited from George Tenet said "the NIE did not say that
> > there was an imminent threat."   You, however, have interpreted
> > this statement as saying "the NIE said that the threat from Iraq
> > was *not imminent.*"
>
> More bullshit (can you tell I'm feeling very impatient?).

Impatience does not help you communicate.

> It said their judgment was that there was a low probability of
> Iraq using WMDs against the United States if it succeeded in
> building them.

I don't find the words "low probability" anywhere in the NIE.

Quote:
"We have low confidence in our ability to assess when Saddam would
use WMD."

In other words, they are warning the policy-makers that they do not
have a firm judgement on this matter.   It appears that either
because Saddam Hussein is unpredictable, or because of a lack of
inside intelligence of Iraqi doctrines, that they do not have a firm
conclusion.

Quote:
"He probably would use [chemical and biological weapons] when he
perceved he had irretrieveably lost control of the military and
security situation, but we are unlikely to know when Saddam Hussein
reaches that point."

Quote:
"Iraq would probably attempt clandestine attacks against the US
homeland if Baghdad feared an attack would threaten the survival of
the regime were imminent or unvaoidable.... Such attacks - more
likely with biological than chemical agents - probably would be
carried out by special forces agents or intelligence operatives."

> The point is that the administration was going around saying, We
> have to attack Iraq because our intelligence shows that they have
> WMDs and they pose
> an imminent, mortal threat to the United States, ready to send
> UAVs here loaded with weaponized biological and nuclear agents and
> just might have
> nukes, we can't be sure.
>
> Not one word of that was justified by the actual intelligence
> report.

This is simply not true.   The existence of Iraq's stockpiles of WMD
are consistently supported throughout the NIE.

JDG




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