Charlie-thanks for the welcome. There is a movement afoot here to modify the electoral college. I am still undecided.

Dan M - I can tell that you are numbers guy and also very literal. I appreciate that and can use your numbers for back up in discussions with others. I on the other had tend to be a global person with gut reactions. My long term gut seems to be pretty good the problem is I tend to act on short term issues and lose my shirt.

Dan you wrote:
At the time of Eisenhower's comment,
military spending was over half of governmental spending, and about 10% of GDP. In 2005, it was roughly a fifth of the federal budget and 4% of GDP.


On the Eisenhower quote I was referring more to his idea of a hand in glove arrangement between business and government. At the time your numbers are correct I am sure but then the entire industrial/business landscape was quite different. Most high tech at the time was defense based. GM and GE were the big businesses and they were defense contractors. But his point was that a close relationship with government and business could override the social contract between national government and the people.

I agree with your analysis of the incumbent problem. I live in Texas and the travesty of gerrymandering hit very close to home after a mid census redistricting. I have heard from one source that incumbents now have a 98% return rate due to this type of redistricting. What ever happened to Newt's Contract with America and the pledge to not run again not to mention a balanced budget? Once again incumbents who do not have to worry about reelection are moving away from the social contract to represent them and are more likely to pay attention to the dollars offered to their campaigns by big business. Please also note that there is very little interest in Congress or the Executive branch to push civics education in our schools. Very little if any dollars that I know of have been earmarked for that purpose in the "No Child Left Behind" programs.

On Jun 30, 2006, at 3:12 PM, Dan Minette wrote:


Behalf Of Charlie Bell
Sent: Friday, June 30, 2006 1:07 PM
To: Killer Bs Discussion
Subject: Re: SCOUTED: Bush is Not Incompetent

With the ongoing marginalisation of genuine
debate in favour of monochrome highly partisan ideology-damn-the-
reality politics in the US (with the UK and Aus hot on your heels) do
you see the need for a change in the voting system to represent a
multitude of policies (maybe even proportional representation and/or
Single Transferable Vote) to filter out the extreme edges and allow
the middle ground a fair go?


I think that a much simpler change in the voting system would have a
tremendously favorable result, while not introducing the problems inherent in true multi-party systems (the compromises come after, not before people
are elected).

One thing that is a very recent trend in US politics is the expansion of
"safe" districts.  These "safe" districts are, at least partially, the
result of state legislatures redrawing the congressional district maps every 10 years, after the census. One party, or the other, usually controls the state house, which is responsible for drawing up the map. This allows the
map to reflect the interest of that party's politicians.

According to the Cook Political Report,

http://www.cookpolitical.com/races/report_pdfs/ 2006_house_comp_jun29.pdf

there are, currently, 361 seats in the House that are rock solid for one party, 29 that are likely for one party, 31 leaning for one party, and 14
are toss ups.  As far as I can tell, not one challenger is favored to
win....and only 10 challengers have reached the toss-up mark. (The other 4
toss ups are vacated seats).

The second part of the inertia is the power of incumbency.  One poll
question illustrates this. 66% of Americans think that, on the whole, the ethics and honesty of Congress is not-so-good to poor. But, only 33% of
Americans think this of their present representative.

As a result, the House tends to be filled with people who excite the
faithful in their districts, instead of people who appeal to a broad
spectrum. In the past, the middle of the political spectrum was better represented, because each party knew it needed candidates that could fend off challenges. In "safe" districts, this is a minor concern....and the
overwhelming majority of districts are "safe."

One of the clear indications of this was the impeachment of Clinton. The Republicans lost seats in an election in which the party that is not in power (in the 6th year of an 8 year presidency) almost always gains seats. But, since the overwhelming majority of Republicans were in safe districts,
they didn't bother to take the hint, and proceeded.

Dan M.


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