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From: "Robert Seeberger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 10:35 PM
Subject: Re: Defeat in Victory


>
> <G> It's not all about you Dan!<G>


> I was suggesting that perhaps you are missing that "most" of the
> liberal posters here are espousing views that are more centrist than
> you might think.

OK.  The idea that we went to war in Iraq in order to make money for oil
companies is centralist?

> >From where I'm viewing, a corner seems to have been turned in recent
> months and "most" people in the US share opinions that are more
> leftish than they were over the last few years.

Maybe....but it isn't really clear.  After the enormous blundering of this
administration, as well as the scandals of the House and Senate Republican
leadership, one would think that 2006 will be 1994 all over again.  But,
Bush is bouncing back somewhat in the polls now, and the Democrats still
can't seem to get their act together.  Plus, there are only about 40-50
House seats that are in play, so it would take an overwhelming victory by
the Democrats to regain control of the House.

So, a year from now, we may or may not see a significant shift.  I'm hoping
that we will.  But I think arguments that we went to war to give US oil
companies control of the Mid-East oilfields, that the Republic is on it's
last legs, etc. are ones that I've rarely seen.  Since I left Mad-Town, 23
years ago, even living in Connecticut, I've seen it at a Dennis Kupechne
(sp) meeting I was invited to, here, on Culture, and on the walls at
colleges my girls went to.  I haven't even seen the question asked in
polls, so I don't have numbers, but I'd guess  less than 10% nationwide
believe this (~3.5x Nadar's top vote %). As far as I can tell, that it the
"centralist position" that Andrew Paul referred to.  It is certainly the
mode position of recent political posts here.  Take my posts out, even
allowing for the weighed average including your posts, and I'd argue that
position is the mean of recent posts here.

Now, one might ask if I think it is the mean of the positions of the people
on this list.  I don't think so, but that's harder to measure.  So, I
didn't refer to that, I merely referred to what was written in recent (say
since Gautam and JDG left) political posts.

Dan M.

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