On Tue, 16 Aug 2005 21:05:41 EDT, Bemmzim wrote

> So let me put my big jewish mouth into this portion of the debate. I 
> agree completely with Gautam here. She is saying there is a jewish 
> conspiracy to help Israel. 

Find me one place where she said anything remotely resembling "conspiracy" and
I might respond to this.  Until then, I think it is nonsense.  She talks
geopolitics, not cabals and conspiracies.  She talks about the *nation* of
Israel, in the political sense, which can't possibly have participated in any
such conspiracy for the last hundred years or most of the other centuries in
which Christians persecuted Jews.

Cindy argues that the war deliberately serves the interests of Israel, the
nation, excessively -- that Israel, the nation, has too much influence in
Washington.  You may choose to turn that into a vast Jewish conspiracy down
through the ages, but Cindy doesn't say anything of the sort.  

Saying "Israel has too much influence in Washington" is anti-semitic is like
saying "England has too much influence in Washington" is anti-Anglo-Saxon.

> Let me ask you Nick. Do you think that we are in this war to protect 
> Israel? 

I'm quite sure that our desire to control the Middle East is connected to our
alliance with Israel.  It would be crazy to imagine that Israel is not a factor.

> Are we in this war at the behest of a jewish cabal? 

I would be terribly surprised.  I believe that is impossible.

> If not 
> then this view must be repudiated. 

Tell me, *who* would I be repudiating?  David Duke?  Why do I need to
repudiate him or any other nut job conspiracy theorist?  I sure as hell
wouldn't be repudiating Cindy Sheehan, since she isn't one.

When we speak as members of Gold Star Families for Peace, my view is that we
don't need to talk directly about politics at all.  And when Cindy expressed
her views about Israel's role the first time we sat down to lunch, I was
uncomfortable.  At the same time, she is a mother searching for the reason her
son is dead.  I'm not surprised that she has some ideas that seem wild and I
don't think it's my job to try to stop her.

On the other hand, I do believe that if we are to be peacemakers, compassion
is the key.  The blessing of this discussion is that I realize how a political
comment about the nation of Israel can be blown up into much more than was
intended.  The grief of this one mother is hard for most of us to grasp; the
grief of the Jewish people after the Holocaust is far beyond that... so I find
myself struggling to show compassion for both.

I'll be more than happy -- downright eager -- to forward your thoughts to not
just Cindy, but all of GSFP.  We need to understand how we are being heard. 
Which words shall I forward.

Nick


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